Greatness lies not in being strong, but in the right use of strength - Henry Ward Beecher
Baby sister, I was born game and I intend to go out that way - Rooster Cogburn
Rather, the core issue could well be the fact that it is very difficult to legally force an unwilling adult to submit to psychiatric treatment. My general understading is that one needs to have been committed before losing the ability to buy weapons. So.... you can see how the cycle worked in this case.
And people say misogyny doesn't exist anymore. Clearly it does.
Mental health systems? This problem goes beyond that. Our popular media is saturated with sexual imagery, including suggestive notions of not being validated if you aren't getting laid 24/7... especially for men. Add mental health issues and an unhealthy dose of misogyny to the mix, and you have crazy people feeling entitled to use violence to get back at bitches.
Our culture of violence as the solution also plays into this. The public has ready access to violent weaponry and unlike in the past we increasingly lack the systems (due to de-funding) that help people to maintain their human bonds and connections to one another. Isn't it obvious by now that our country's social community is rapidly degenerating? That is the main problem.... not guns, not lack of mental asylums, but lack of people who actually give two ****s about their communities and reach out to those in need. The human touch is already gone, along with TLC. The culture of rampant selfishness and individualism is at an all time high and those are the values behind the shootings. When people don't get what they want in life they kill someone. *shrug*
Sad for the families and friends that lost loved ones. Gun control isn't the answer. That has caused millions of deaths, brutal regimes, and leaves the most vulnerable... vulnerable.
When criminals know they do not have to fear someone who is armed, these sicko's will commit crimes at higher rates. More brutal rapes, murders, more B&E's... more problems, not fewer.
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Not very "compelling"? You're kidding right?
"GOLETA, Calif. - It was Friday night when Elliot Rodger's mother got a call from her son's therapist that he had emailed a ranting manifesto about going on a deadly rampage.
The mother went to her son's YouTube channel and found the video in which he threatens to kill people. She alerted authorities and set off frantically with her ex-husband to Santa Barbara.
By the time they arrived, it was too late: their son had killed six people and then, authorities say, himself.
"They're in deep, deep grief," family friend Simon Astaire said Sunday as he recounted the family's ordeal. "Their grief which is nearly unbearable to be close to is as much for the loss of their son as for the victims."
Missed warning signs: Deputies met with suspect three times in 10 months
It was the second time in recent months that Rodger's mother tried to intervene. In April, she had called one of her son's counselors after seeing bizarre videos he had posted on YouTube, though not the disturbing one he posted shortly before the killings, Astaire said. The counselor called a mental health service, which then called police.
Santa Barbara County Sheriff's deputies who showed up at Rodger's doorstep to check on his mental health, however, weren't aware of any videos, the department's spokeswoman Kelly Hoover said. They concluded after their visit that the well mannered, if shy, young man posed no risk."
"Rodger's family has disclosed their son was under the care of therapists. In his manifesto, Rodger wrote that he had been prescribed the antipsychotic Risperidone but refused to take it."
Elliot Rodger's family tried to intervene at time of rampage - CBS News
So we know that not only did the mom call police, but the proper authorities called, ie, a mental treatment facility. That alone should have been enough to have police take him to the hospital without allowing him to talk his way out of it...
They (as in the mental health community that was treating this kid) knew of the video on YouTube, and they knew that he was off his medication....This is a tragic miss by the police.
Too much to quote-
Involuntary evaluations have a high threshold. Neither the parents nor the treatment facility wanted to sign off on one. The manifesto was one hour before the rampage, prior to that the police apparently didn't know about the you tube rants prior to the 137 page rant.
Bottom line- the parents and doctors had 10 months, that damn near a year here in Oklahoma, to go to a judge and get that involuntary commitment.
Unless a cop has a court order in his hand he can't write what he didn't see, that is he can't place a normal talking and acting man into custody on second and third hand comments. (and again the rants and screams from the usual police bashers would be 'thought police' and unconstitutional search with a heaping helping of militarized out of control law enforcement... )
Hindsight is 20/20 and debate forums are full of late to the party eagle eyed posters...