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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    You don't think that a person would HAVE to be mentally ill to do something like this? The definition I find for mental illness is " mental illnesses are medical conditions that often result in a diminished capacity for coping with the ordinary demands of life." I'm unclear as to why you would think that his behavior is not indicative of someone with this kind of illness. It makes him no less to responsible for his actions you know.
    No. Insanity as an excuse to commit this sort of crime has been proven to be a pretty weak defense. Mostly because:

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    Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.
    By its legal definition, this guy doesn't fit the definition. He planned his attack, targeted victims, created a goal and in all that time was able to conduct his business without impulsive behavior. At no point were his actions based on a disconnect from reality. There are a wide number of killers who do this sort of thing and are never considered insane. Ted Bundy was a pretty popular and well rounded guy before he was caught. Even Dahmer kept up appearances for quite some time. Serial killers known as "angels of death" even manage to keep jobs for decades before they are found. He was not insane. He knew well what he was doing and by his actions proved it.
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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by 505 View Post
    Uhm, the reason people are "discussing this guy as having a mental illness" is because he in fact DID. It's not even debatable. Diagnosed, given medication, refused to take it.

    Now that's not meant to take away from anything he did or justify it in any way, but it is a fact of this case. He definitely had major mental issues.
    Blaming shootings on autism a mistake: experts - MarketWatch

    Dr. Daniel Son, a Los Angeles psychiatrist, says Asperger’s actually does not exist as an official diagnosis among mental health professionals anymore, though it still is a commonly used term. He says as of a year ago, it now is simply considered part of the autism spectrum, and most who had been diagnosed with Asperger’s are thought to be high functioning and able to live relatively normal lives.

    Son, who treats a number of young autism patients, says that obsessive behavior can result from the disease and patients can become fixated on certain issues. But other factors usually come into play when behavior becomes overwhelmingly violent.

    “It’s really more associated with a troubled upbringing rather than the autism,” Son said.

    Rodger’s parents split when Elliot was young and his father, Peter, in the film business and an assistant director on “The Hunger Games,” traveled extensively as part of his career.

    Meanwhile, Lanza is thought to have possibly suffered from schizophrenia in addition to his Asperger’s. Academics said at the time that Lanza’s condition probably did not lead to his violent behavior, and Lanza’s father told Time Magazine that it shouldn’t be blamed for his son’s actions.
    “I never knew he was autistic. He certainly never seemed like he was autistic in his posts on the forums.

    “He would use very well structured sentences and his posts seemed very well thought-out.

    “It’s disgusting that his narcissism drove him to this - I don’t think his disease can be blamed.”

    Rodger also used a website called PUAHate.com, which describes itself as the ‘Anti-Pickup-Artist Movement’ to post his misogynistic thoughts.

    California shooting: Elliot Rodger's friends thought he was 'a serial killer in the making' - Mirror Online
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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I wish people would stop discussing this guy as having a mental illness or womanizer. He was a narcissist who wasn't having it his way. He wasn't manic depressive or bipolar and even if he had been - NONE of those illnesses would have made his crime less of a murder. Putting him in the same circle as people with mental illnesses makes those who actually have them look worse and make him look better.

    Blaming his lack of sex for his action is bull**** too. Half the middle class white boys I work with didn't get any until they were well into their 20s. None of them have started killing people - not yet or not that I know of anyways. This is a guy who wasn't getting the amount of satisfaction he thought he deserved and he decided to take it out on women. At best, he's somewhere behind a disorganized serial killer but he's not mentally ill. Quit saying he is. He was premeditated enough to post **** on the internet, make a barely coherent diatribe, get the weaponry and stalk a location. He was perfectly sane.
    Exactly. It was not women's fault that he wasn't getting any. Not even close. #YesAllWomen
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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. Insanity as an excuse to commit this sort of crime has been proven to be a pretty weak defense. Mostly because:

    Legal Dictionary | Law.com

    By its legal definition, this guy doesn't fit the definition. He planned his attack, targeted victims, created a goal and in all that time was able to conduct his business without impulsive behavior. At no point were his actions based on a disconnect from reality. There are a wide number of killers who do this sort of thing and are never considered insane. Ted Bundy was a pretty popular and well rounded guy before he was caught. Even Dahmer kept up appearances for quite some time. Serial killers known as "angels of death" even manage to keep jobs for decades before they are found. He was not insane. He knew well what he was doing and by his actions proved it.
    I didn't say he was insane I said he was mentally ill.
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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    A little OT but: having been to Santa Barbara a few times there are lots of hot blond women there, practically on every street. Just saying.

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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    A little OT but: having been to Santa Barbara a few times there are lots of hot blond women there, practically on every street. Just saying.
    Well, here's a pro-tip for you guys. Girls don't really like cocky. Confident is sexy, but cocky is a turn off.

    Doesn't matter how hot you are, or how rich you are - if you are a cocky douchebag, it's a turn off.
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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I didn't say he was insane I said he was mentally ill.
    ^ This.

    Again, nobody is blaming this on his mental illness. Pointing out that he was ****ed in the head does not equal blaming, it does not mean he wasn't aware of what he was doing, it does not mean other factors weren't obviously in play, etc.

    I mean seriously, does this sound like a perfectly normal/rational/functional individual to anybody else here?






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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Well, here's a pro-tip for you guys. Girls don't really like cocky. Confident is sexy, but cocky is a turn off.

    Doesn't matter how hot you are, or how rich you are - if you are a cocky douchebag, it's a turn off.
    Oh come on now, you can't fool us. We all know that stuff like this gets ALL the fine girls all hot and bothered:

    "I am superior to them all. I am Elliot Rodger… Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent… Divine! I am the closest thing there is to a living god."


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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Well, here's a pro-tip for you guys. Girls don't really like cocky. Confident is sexy, but cocky is a turn off.

    Doesn't matter how hot you are, or how rich you are - if you are a cocky douchebag, it's a turn off.
    I also read where the little pussy issued a citizen's arrest on his roommate for stealing 3 of his candles.

    Talk about a petty little twit.

    Hopefully, he can hear these disparaging comments through the roar of the flames.

    A petty little wimp like this couldn't get a date with an ugly street dog.

    **** him.
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    re: Police call deadly Santa Barbara shooting spree 'premeditated mass murder'[W220]

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I also read where the little pussy issued a citizen's arrest on his roommate for stealing 3 of his candles.

    Talk about a petty little twit.

    Hopefully, he can hear these disparaging comments through the roar of the flames.

    A petty little wimp like this couldn't get a date with an ugly street dog.

    **** him.
    What I dont get is why didnt his roommates dump him or leave after he made that citizen's arrest on them? Common sense would tell you that if you have a crazy roommate its time to look for another. Even if it was college they could have complained to the faculty. I couldnt stand my parents and moved out the first chance I got but I would have moved back in with them if I were to choose between living with them and a crazed roommate.

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