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White House Contacted Youtube DURING Benghazi Attack.[W:324]

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Helix said:
i have no problem with investigating an embassy attack. what i do have a problem with is selecting one attack for two years of saturation coverage in order to to use it as a tool against a political opponent.
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So better to have given up with the administration's stonewalling? Just think if there hadn't been continued pressure on this? Hardly.

From my view, the administration cast it's lot when it started with all the dodging, weaving, various blame memes to cover up their incompetence, and above all, the values that dictate political expediency over the truth and accountability, you know, substance over optics, and not vice-versa?
 
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Jango said:
That's not being entirely fair to the situation given the context.

The Obama administration, like many before it, will/have/are stonewalling Congress in a variety of ways.

Generally, when someone won't turn something over it is because they have something to hide.
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so why shouldn't we devote two years of saturation coverage to the other attacks? there might have been coverups, and we wouldn't have any way of knowing.

you know why, and every participant in these threads knows, too.
 
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eohrnberger said:
So better to have given up with the administration's stonewalling? Just think if there hadn't been continued pressure on this? Hardly.

From my view, the administration cast it's lot when it started with all the dodging, weaving, various blame memes to cover up their incompetence, and above all, the values that dictate political expediency over the truth and accountability, you know, substance over optics, and not vice-versa?
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before i respond to you or anyone else, i require this :

please link me to a thread in which you demanded an investigation of any of the embassy attacks which occurred during the Bush administration. anywhere on the net. ready, set, go.
 
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Helix said:
so why shouldn't we devote two years of saturation coverage to the other attacks? there might have been coverups, and we wouldn't have any way of knowing.

you know why, and every participant in these threads knows, too.
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I'm all for uncovering government (*any* government or administration on the planet) wrongdoing, illegality, controversy, contradictions, lies, deceit, propaganda, disinformation, etc. I'm not a partisan. No party has my loyalty or allegiance. I will say this though: investigating American deaths is surely a better exercise of time for Congressmen/women & Senators than worrying about the name of a pro football team.
 
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Helix said:
before i respond to you or anyone else, i require this :

please link me to a thread in which you demanded an investigation of any of the embassy attacks which occurred during the Bush administration. anywhere on the net. ready, set, go.
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It really doesn't matter what you "require". If you want to debate past embassy attacks start a thread on it rather than trying to hijack this one.
 
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Jango said:
I'm all for uncovering government (*any* government or administration on the planet) wrongdoing, illegality, controversy, contradictions, lies, deceit, propaganda, disinformation, etc. I'm not a partisan. No party has my loyalty or allegiance. I will say this though: investigating American deaths is surely a better exercise of time for Congressmen/women & Senators than worrying about the name of a pro football team.
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i don't disagree with anything you posted. however, this saturation coverage of Benghazi by entertainment channels like fox news has rubbed me the wrong way for long enough that i finally had to respond. both sides do it, and i don't support it.

our gerrymandered two party system just isn't working anymore, and we need to scrap it and try something else.
 
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Grant said:
It really doesn't matter what you "require". If you want to debate past embassy attacks start a thread on it rather than trying to hijack this one.
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not seeing the link. i understand that you are extremely concerned about embassy attacks, so surely you can provide evidence that you were concerned about embassy attacks which occurred between 2001 and 2009.
 
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Helix said:
i don't disagree with anything you posted. however, this saturation coverage of Benghazi by entertainment channels like fox news has rubbed me the wrong way for long enough that i finally had to respond. both sides do it, and i don't support it.

our gerrymandered two party system just isn't working anymore, and we need to scrap it and try something else.
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It'll never happen. At least not until a different party gets access to cable, which at this point, the game is tightly controlled and locked down tight.
 
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Grant said:
It really doesn't matter what you "require". If you want to debate past embassy attacks start a thread on it rather than trying to hijack this one.
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In other words no this is a partisan witchhunt with no substance. I have never heard of an investigation based on the presumption of lies. It stinks to high heaven.

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Jango said:
It'll never happen. At least not until a different party gets access to cable, which at this point, the game is tightly controlled and locked down tight.
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yep. but on message boards, we can brainstorm and dream about making the system a little better, even if the chances that it will happen approach zero. that's why i enjoy internet forums.
 
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iguanaman said:
In other words no this is a partisan witchhunt with no substance. I have never heard of an investigation based on the presumption of lies. It stinks to high heaven.
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Leftists should never attempt the 'in other words' definition because you can never get it right. Just stick to what is actually being said and you'll do much better. Juvenile cartoons don't add much to the discussion either.
 
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iguanaman said:
In other words no this is a partisan witchhunt with no substance. I have never heard of an investigation based on the presumption of lies. It stinks to high heaven.

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Theres plenty of substance, and the people in charge are going to be dragged into the sunlight, kicking and screaming. Clear a path.
 
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Helix said:
yep. but on message boards, we can brainstorm and dream about making the system a little better, even if the chances that it will happen approach zero. that's why i enjoy internet forums.
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I hear you. Idealism is nice.
 
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iguanaman said:
In other words no this is a partisan witchhunt with no substance. I have never heard of an investigation based on the presumption of lies. It stinks to high heaven.

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Is that Henry Waxman?

;)
 
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VanceMack said:
By "no one" I mean no one ESPECIALLY the middle east and the State Department who KNEW the attacks had absolutely **** to do with the you tube video which again...NO ONE was watching. No one was paying attention to. No one knew about it to care about it. Including you.
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Well that's a bull**** claim if ever there was one.
 
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Cardinal said:
Well that's a bull**** claim if ever there was one.
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Except its not. There were no crowds protesting anything at the Embassy. There was quiet, and then a mob attacked with what we know had ZERO to do with any video. They knew it that night. They knew it when the administration sent Rice out to lie about it. They knew it the 2 weeks the administration repeated the lies.
 
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VanceMack said:
Except its not. There were no crowds protesting anything at the Embassy. There was quiet, and then a mob attacked with what we know had ZERO to do with any video. They knew it that night. They knew it when the administration sent Rice out to lie about it. They knew it the 2 weeks the administration repeated the lies.
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Absolutely. These are FACTS, and no amount of lefty spin will change that.
 
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US Conservative said:
Absolutely. These are FACTS, and no amount of lefty spin will change that.
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Yeah USC.....nor can they change up what the MS Media and everyone else has reported on.....validating that it was never part of anything to do with Benghazi. I think they just start like 5 or 6 threads on it and bring it up over and over again. Just to get those on the Right stirred up about that issue.

Its not like they haven't been shown the material. There is no way around it.....no way to spin it. It was already spun. Now it's all coming undone.

I am just happy that the MS media is going back now and bringing out points that were brought out before. By those Republicans in committee and then going at BO an his Team for what they......DID say out of their mouths.
 
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VanceMack said:
Except its not. There were no crowds protesting anything at the Embassy. There was quiet, and then a mob attacked with what we know had ZERO to do with any video. They knew it that night. They knew it when the administration sent Rice out to lie about it. They knew it the 2 weeks the administration repeated the lies.
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And now you've progressed to 20/20 hindsight. First you say nobody was talking about the video before the attacks, then you even made the claim that I wasn't talking about the video before the attacks. Is there anything in your position in this thread that isn't outright bull****? Because I'm not seeing it. At least you moved the goalposts to nobody protesting at the embassy.
 
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MMC said:
Now now F&L......don't be letting them in on those Other news sources with timelines. You know that's to much for them to handle now. You have to remember.....the naysayers only understand US MS Media propaganda. Well except until it comes to Benghazi. Then they just go with BO says. That's when you see them start talking about CNN, or ABC, wondering if they have changed formats to the Right. :lol:
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And Obamacare..

And IRS..

and now, Ukraine.....


In fact, everything. I have challenged for six years for one Obama lemming to admit that Obama EVER made a mistake, and to cite what that was so we could discuss it.

Never had a response, so I would have to say they figure he's the ideological messiah and perfect in every way.
 
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Grant said:
Even Libya's President blew that video story out of the water immediately following the attack. All the Libyan's knew what happened yet, in leftist American circles, that video story still seems to be getting some traction. Brand loyalty is making too many fools of the American public. It's embarrassing to the nation. Consulate Attack Preplanned, Libya's President Says : NPR
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Even Canadians, beginning to hunker down for the winters in their igloos knew the story the next day, and it was hockey season!

The pro-progressive often Marxist taxpayer owned and funded Canadian Broadcasting Corporation was calling the Obama administration liars, running on going reports from the scene in Benghazi while the MSM was "commentating" from desks in some glass tower in New York.

The small percent of Americans who have the balls to consider that maybe they aren't getting all the story is about the only hope the country has.....
 
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Cardinal said:
And now you've progressed to 20/20 hindsight. First you say nobody was talking about the video before the attacks, then you even made the claim that I wasn't talking about the video before the attacks. Is there anything in your position in this thread that isn't outright bull****? Because I'm not seeing it. At least you moved the goalposts to nobody protesting at the embassy.
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So you admit that the administration was incompetent in this situation? And that is acceptable to you?
 
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j-mac said:
So you admit that the administration was incompetent in this situation? And that is acceptable to you?
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I've always said without exception that he utterly fubarred the post-crisis communication to the public. I've said that over and over and over again. It's just uninspiring, sadly, but not a scandal.
 
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US Conservative said:
It appears even some dems are done with him.

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"....detached, flatfooted, even incompetent."


There have been many using those very words since the congress wars of 2010 -14. The single most incompetent thing this president has done was strutting into the Oval Office and declared his opponents "enemies".

It was not the declaration per ce, but the arrogance and inexperience behind it and the fact he has carried it out. The first priority of a president is the unity of the country, a divided house cannot stand, and he purposefully divided it.

So now you have Canada mad at you, Russia laughing at Washington, Libya in Chaos, Ukraine at war, lost confidence in the IRS, the VA, and growing questions about some rather ugly incidents regarding Benghazi.

Divide and conquer, and America's real enemies see the most divided country since 1969.
 
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Cardinal said:
I've always said without exception that he utterly fubarred the post-crisis communication to the public. I've said that over and over and over again. It's just uninspiring, sadly, but not a scandal.
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Ok, so, forgive me if I say that you're parsing just a little here....You say that they messed up the "communication" of this incident....But, leave out the run up to the lack of security that led to this being pulled off by the attackers...Did they mess that up too?
 
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