White House Contacted Youtube DURING Benghazi Attack.[W:324]

Helix said:

Ok, **** this, I can't not comment anymore.

The right using this as a political tool is almost as disgusting as the left using Sandy Hook.

There have been embassy attacks under pretty much every president. It sucks, but we want to intervene in every **** hole everywhere, and this will continue to happen until we correct course.

Conservatives, you are being used and manipulated by fox news just like dip**** liberals are being fed talking points by MSNBC. Seriously, take the ****ing red pill.

I mean, sweet ****. I know I'll spend my day swatting off pissed off conservatives because of this, but somebody had to say it.

Go ahead and blow up my who quoted me. I might even respond, but I'm really burned out from work, and on top of that, I'm tired today. At least think about what I said before you respond with red faced partisan rage.

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Grim17 said:

This new info kind of kills their claim that the video was blamed based on CIA talking points, since the CIA hadn't at that point concluded a damned thing.

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American said:

Hillary has you by the gonads, like every other liberal.

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Helix said:

you guys act just like 9/11 truthers, and that's how non-fox America looks at you. you're virtually indistinguishable from them, other than you have an entire network pushing the story.

yes, i care that people died. this is why i would pull all of our troops out of that entire region, and i would close all of the embassies there. it's a hostile part of the world, and our own house is falling apart. get them the **** out of there.

fox did not spend two years worth of news cycles on any of these :



this is absolutely political. the right thinks they have some kind of gotcha just like the dems do every time there's a shooting. it's annoying at best and disgusting at worst.

here's my advice : give up on this one. it isn't watergate, and you're being fed a line of bull**** by a fake news network that is designed to feed you propaganda. the rest of the country is not going to support kicking the president out of office over this any more than it will support putting Bush on trial.

here's what you need to do : run a candidate in 2016 who isn't a bat**** loony far right moron. choose one who is better than the democrat, run him or her, and actually try to sell your ideas to the American people. as it stands, your side has gone absolutely insane during the Obama years, and EVERYTHING you've done has been a shot fired in some hyperpartisan war with him. ****, i thought the dems were bad under Bush, but this **** is absolutely insane. the only thing you guys haven't done that they did is to make some ****ty snuff film about him. you don't like the president. fine; i'm not a huge fan either. by the time Bush was out, i was so sick of him that anything else looked good. however, i didn't go online trumpeting every embassy attack that happened on his watch, because that would have been stupid. instead, i talked about his policies, what i didn't like about them, and solutions that i support. you know, like debating.

you guys really are Benghazi truthers. you need to know that a lot of us look at you that way, and feel that this **** should be in CT. correct course, and make your platform look better than the other side. that's how you win; not this bull****.

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MMC said:

Mornin' USC. :2wave: Even Better was the Cleric in Cairo Egypt.....never saw the video. Yet he called for the Rioting in Egypt and then used Social media to spread the word to all the Sunni.

Which he was never brought in for inciting riots or anything. Not even for using the social media to spread the protests.

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Helix said:

you ignored my entire post. i will distill it.

many embassy attacks have occurred during the past few decades :

Attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

fox has devoted two years of saturation coverage to only one of them. this is because they are using it as a political tool. your side is coming off as conspiracy theorists to those of us who don't watch fox, and it will not help you win an election. i assume it has become more about Hillary Clinton than Obama now, as fox's new mission is probably to sink her candidacy. i really don't care. however, your use of an embassy tragedy will not win you my vote. if you'd like to win my vote, push an end to interventionism and the closing of embassies in hostile regions. also, i'd like to see our infrastructure rebuilt and expanded, and we should be getting off of oil so that we would have to give many fewer ****s about that part of the world. run a candidate who supports that, and i'll consider him or her for a vote. run eight million swiftboat commercials about Benghazi, and i'm not going to come anywhere near your candidate.

on a related note, the strategy of conspiracy theorists is to tie up their opponents in increasing intricacies to mask the fact that the theory itself is usually bull****. they can't prove that Bush shot missiles at the twin towers, so they spend eons debating about one structural point in the tower, or about WTC7. then you post a pic of WTC7 which shows the damage that led to the collapse, and they just ignore it and move on to something else. that's what you guys do with Benghazi. i usually avoid CT threads like the plague, but apparently fox must have returned to saturation coverage because there have been a ****load of threads recently. i just couldn't take it anymore. mea culpa.

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Luftwaffe said:

Try and guess what chance a snowball has in hell. That's the chance of Conservatives letting go of Benghazi.

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Helix said:

you guys act just like 9/11 truthers, and that's how non-fox America looks at you. you're virtually indistinguishable from them, other than you have an entire network pushing the story.

yes, i care that people died. this is why i would pull all of our troops out of that entire region, and i would close all of the embassies there. it's a hostile part of the world, and our own house is falling apart. get them the **** out of there.

fox did not spend two years worth of news cycles on any of these :



this is absolutely political. the right thinks they have some kind of gotcha just like the dems do every time there's a shooting. it's annoying at best and disgusting at worst.

here's my advice : give up on this one. it isn't watergate, and you're being fed a line of bull**** by a fake news network that is designed to feed you propaganda. the rest of the country is not going to support kicking the president out of office over this any more than it will support putting Bush on trial.

here's what you need to do : run a candidate in 2016 who isn't a bat**** loony far right moron. choose one who is better than the democrat, run him or her, and actually try to sell your ideas to the American people. as it stands, your side has gone absolutely insane during the Obama years, and EVERYTHING you've done has been a shot fired in some hyperpartisan war with him. ****, i thought the dems were bad under Bush, but this **** is absolutely insane. the only thing you guys haven't done that they did is to make some ****ty snuff film about him. you don't like the president. fine; i'm not a huge fan either. by the time Bush was out, i was so sick of him that anything else looked good. however, i didn't go online trumpeting every embassy attack that happened on his watch, because that would have been stupid. instead, i talked about his policies, what i didn't like about them, and solutions that i support. you know, like debating.

you guys really are Benghazi truthers. you need to know that a lot of us look at you that way, and feel that this **** should be in CT. correct course, and make your platform look better than the other side. that's how you win; not this bull****.

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rocket88 said:

They will once a Republican's in the White House. Truth is nice, but if you can't use it as a political weapon it's useless in Washington.

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Lutherf said:

I'll weigh in.

If the time stamps are correct then this memo was sent out before the fighting was done. In fact it would have been sent out before Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed by mortar fire. It was certainly sent well before the intelligence reports that the administration cites as their basis for the Rice briefing were received by the administration.

What does this indicate?

Well, at a minimum it indicates that the administration lied about how it came up with the Youtube scenario. That's bad. But what's worse is the following:
1. The administration was aware of the video well before the events in Benghazi took place and had some indication that it was inflammatory yet did nothing about it, unless;
2. They had already planned to use the video as an excuse in case something happened.

If the latter is true then they KNEW that the situation on the ground was dangerous and remained unprepared to deal with potential violence.

All that is bad but there is another possibility.

What if they knew that an attack was going to take place? What if the video was already hand picked as justification for an attack that they knew was coming? You've got the ambassador in a temporary compound which is guarded by locals in an area where it's well known that hostile parties are present and no reason for his presence has been given. You've got reports that Stevens himself declined an offer for additional security. You've got absolutely nobody being prosecuted for the attack. You've got the FBI held back from an investigation until 22 days after the attack and you've got continued stonewalling by the administration every step along the way.

There can be no doubt that there is a massive coverup surrounding this incident. The question we need to have answered is "WHY?"

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Luftwaffe said:

And with how they alienate the Latinos, gays, Lesbians, etc. You think they'll muster the popularity to get elected any time soon? Ha, classic.

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Fenton said:

But the Benghazi issue isn't about the attack.

Its about a Administration that chose to lie not only to the American people but also the Families of those who lost their lives.

Obama, Hilary and the DEMOCRATS Politicized it the instant they chose to manufacture a false narrative about a video because it was too Politically risky to be honest.

I find your disgust with the Republicans a bit hypocritical.

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Grant said:

What's odd about all this is that there are dozens of anti Muslim videos on Youtube and elsewhere, as well as many websites. How could the White House think that one video could cause this problem when there are so many out there? But it seems people bought their excuse anyway.

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US Conservative said:

Lots of possibilities-as another example in the rubble of the compound, American media (there for weeks before our FBI, who where delayed in part because Hillary ignored the intelligence they provided during and just after the attack) found a letter dated on the day of the attack where Stevens asked for more security-but he had been denied before and perhaps didn't want to rock the boat in an election season.

But in addition to WHY?, its also WHO? WHO PUSHED THE VIDEO? WHO DECLINED RESCUE OPS? These are the things we are going to find out.

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rocket88 said:

You're going to be very disappointed when it turns out that it was a secret CIA thing and you can't hit Democrats over the head with it. Very disappointed indeed.

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US Conservative said:

Even if it was, what part of being a "secret CIA thing" supercedes responsibility to those dead men? Only 2 of the 4 had possible CIA ties.
And-even if it was...all the WH has to do is give testimony behind closed doors to this select committee, who will find it justified-but I dont think thats what happened.

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rocket88 said:

The whole part of it. You don't rescue people involved in CIA missions that go horribly wrong.

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Fenton said:

LOL !!

Well then you should be thoroughly disgusted with the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton and the Democrat party.

THEY Politicized the death of four Americans.

Chose to perpetuate a huge lie because it was Politically expedient.

Manufactured some BS narrative about a video and spent the next 20 months piling onto that lie for.....wait for us.....purely Political reasons.

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Jack Hays said:

That is false.eace

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US Conservative said:

"non fox" American doesn't know the facts of this case, and the more we learn, the worse the administration looks. Your comments reveal you dont understand the issues, but thats fine-your understanding is immaterial. I wonder if you have figured out this isn't going away yet?

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rocket88 said:

Because you say so?

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Jack Hays said:

It really doesn't matter at all how a lot of you look at anyone. And it would be a very bad idea to close our embassies in tough places. The Americans who serve there are proud to do it and their work has great value.eace

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Helix said:

i don't agree that we should have embassies in unstable, hostile regions, though admittedly, i'm a non-interventionist. there might come a time when it's a good idea to have embassies in Middle Eastern nations which are currently unstable, but right now, i think we're better off focusing on domestic issues.

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Helix said:

fox can cover it as much as it wants. the fact that it didn't cover any of the other ones like this pretty much tells me everything i need to know about the motivation behind the saturation coverage.

seriously, just because the dems act like hackish idiots doesn't excuse the right acting the same way. sell your platform to the American people, and stop playing gotcha politics and acting like conspiracy theorists. you are not going to win votes from the middle when it's so obvious that you're exploiting a tragedy for political gain.

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US Conservative said:

For some time, Fox was the only coverage. Eventually, the MSM caught up, because it was news. What you are essentially saying is that one political group should not play politics, while the other clearly IS.

No conspiracy theorists here, thats your guilt by association fallacy, not mine.

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