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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    That law is Terrible. Another fed land grab for ego and politics
    National monuments are typically created on lands already owned by the public. You for reversing all national monuments and allowing development to those lands?
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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Besides the obvious BS that this is causing...has any other President unilaterally made something "national monuments"?
    By declaring the islands a national monument, Bush will circumvent a year-long congressional approval process required in the designation of an area as a marine sanctuary, and will provide the area the highest regulatory protection possible under the law.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061402455.html
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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Bush's declaration ended much commercial fishing in this monument, larger than all monuments ever created combined!!!! Had Obama done this, he would have been accused of hurting commerce. But partisan republicans had no complaint. I don't either, I'm glad Bush, fed up with congressional bull **** went around them and preserved this awesome place, and that Jean Cousteau succeeded in convincing the president of its importance!
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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    he is an anti-colonialist. he thinks america got the way that it did by robbing other countries and people.
    that is why he gave like 300m dollars to brazil to drill oil but won't approve a pipeline here in america.
    well, i know quite a few native Americans.. and they all would agree that we pretty much robbed them of their lands... and i would agree as well.
    we're not innocent angels ... we're also not really colonial, except in an economic sense.

    why else do you allow a flood of no skill workers amensty into this country?
    to garner more present and future votes, primarily.
    when elis island was still open if you didn't have a skill of some kind you weren't allowed to enter. why? you had to be able to work and find a job.
    your talking about legal immigration regulations... which, by definition, don't apply to illegal immigrants.

    the fact that obama consistantly ignores our immigration laws says it all.
    for the most part, he's just going along with his voter base.
    and besides, the more illegal unskilled labor we allow in , the more the government will be providing them with benefits... which fits nicely into the mold his voter base have created for this country (the welfare state)

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Bush's declaration ended much commercial fishing in this monument, larger than all monuments ever created combined!!!! Had Obama done this, he would have been accused of hurting commerce. But partisan republicans had no complaint. I don't either, I'm glad Bush, fed up with congressional bull **** went around them and preserved this awesome place, and that Jean Cousteau succeeded in convincing the president of its importance!
    congress is not needed to declare national monuments..... nobody is going around congress on this... not Bush, not Obama.. not any President since Teddy.

    as an aside, Tu Quoque fallacies make for poor arguments

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    congress is not needed to declare national monuments..... nobody is going around congress on this... not Bush, not Obama.. not any President since Teddy.

    as an aside, Tu Quoque fallacies make for poor arguments
    I believe I pointed out sometime ago that presidents on both sides of the isle have used the antiquities act!
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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    National monuments are typically created on lands already owned by the public. You for reversing all national monuments and allowing development to those lands?
    Im all for repealing pretty much all federal land control, revisiting each on a case by case basis and hammering the presidential ability to do this.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Im all for repealing pretty much all federal land control, revisiting each on a case by case basis and hammering the presidential ability to do this.
    Ok, I appreciate the consistency.
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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    congress is not needed to declare national monuments..... nobody is going around congress on this... not Bush, not Obama.. not any President since Teddy.

    as an aside, Tu Quoque fallacies make for poor arguments
    Btw, I pointed this out to expose hypocrisy, not to justify wrong doing (despite the fact that there has been no wrong doing)
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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    CBP maintains that this will have no effect on border security!


    “This designation will in no way limit our ability to perform our important border security mission, and in fact provides important flexibility as we work to meet this ongoing priority,” said spokeswoman Jenny Burke. “CBP is committed to continuing to work closely with the Department of the Interior and the U.S. Forest Service to maintain border security while ensuring the protection of the environment along the border.”

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    Gotta blame that damn republican Roosevelt for setting a precedent since used by democratic and republican presidents alike.
    Like i said, I wasnt making that argument. But it doesnt matter what party he is. The states never gave the govt the power to nationalize land for the purposes of preserving antiquities. Not everyone here is a partisan.

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