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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I didnt make that argument. However, the states have argued that point. They would know better than me.
    that's cool.. i wasn't pointing to anyone in particular... just an argument that i didn't understand.

    i've done a lil reading on it and understand now.... Obama designation will bar local law enforcement from driving on the land ( there's 500k acres in this new "monument").. thereby creating a safe zone for cartels to operate.

    Obama counterargument was " it will generate $7.4 million in new annual economic activity"... but i'm not sure of the credibility of that particular claim.

    with federal law enforcement not being able to do even close to a decent job along the border, it's a bit odd Obama would ignore serious security and safety concerns... but, as usual, he really isn't too keen on addressing the concerns of anyone outside of his little political sphere.

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Howdy Pol! Yeah, I seem to think it was Jefferson that fancied life liberty and the ownership of property which would have precluded a property tax. Along the way it was hijacked and now we have the right to pursue happiness instead, lol.
    : But have you noticed that we're usually left with the illusive choices, though, like "pursuing happiness," while they get the concrete revenue?

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Nice to know Obama is focusing on the important stuff...

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    : But have you noticed that we're usually left with the illusive choices, though, like "pursuing happiness," while they get the concrete revenue?

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's cool.. i wasn't pointing to anyone in particular... just an argument that i didn't understand.

    i've done a lil reading on it and understand now.... Obama designation will bar local law enforcement from driving on the land ( there's 500k acres in this new "monument").. thereby creating a safe zone for cartels to operate.

    Obama counterargument was " it will generate $7.4 million in new annual economic activity"... but i'm not sure of the credibility of that particular claim.

    with federal law enforcement not being able to do even close to a decent job along the border, it's a bit odd Obama would ignore serious security and safety concerns... but, as usual, he really isn't too keen on addressing the concerns of anyone outside of his little political sphere.
    Hopefully the state will sue the govt over it. Supreme Court is on a roll right now, ruling against these kinds of unconstitutional actions.

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Another land grab. THis represents about 2% of all land in New Mexico. He does this under an act passed in 1906 by Teddy Roosevelt, even though no such power exists in the constitution to do so. I dont know what the legal status of the land was before this. I assume the federal govt would argue that it owns all of southwest due to the Mexican War, and states just rent it. So it can decide how all of it will be used.
    This is even worse, because now BP can't go after illegals that want to cut through there. My state rep informed me of this and i can't believe this is allowable.
    this so called monument butts right up to the border. it will not allow border patrol to chase any illegal that decides to cross there.

    obama just created the largest gateway for illegal to flood into this country.
    the same way he has allowed 50k illegal kids to enter this country since october of this year.

    this guys ignorance of our laws should be enough for removal of office for high crimes.

    i can't believe people voted for this idiot. not just once but twice. he still has 2 more years to go how much further can he ruin this country.
    i don't think we will be able to recover from obama.

    what will be worse if the morons of this nation will put hillary in next.
    of course after amnesty is passed which is why we are seeing this flood of illegal immigration it will all but ensure her victory.

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    that's cool.. i wasn't pointing to anyone in particular... just an argument that i didn't understand.

    i've done a lil reading on it and understand now.... Obama designation will bar local law enforcement from driving on the land ( there's 500k acres in this new "monument").. thereby creating a safe zone for cartels to operate.

    Obama counterargument was " it will generate $7.4 million in new annual economic activity"... but i'm not sure of the credibility of that particular claim.

    with federal law enforcement not being able to do even close to a decent job along the border, it's a bit odd Obama would ignore serious security and safety concerns... but, as usual, he really isn't too keen on addressing the concerns of anyone outside of his little political sphere.
    once protected you can't use motor vehicles on the land or any other type of vehicle. so BP trying to chase down illegals don't be able to enter with their trucks and other vehicles.
    he doesn't care about anything.

    he wants to turn the US into a 3rd world country.

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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    This is even worse, because now BP can't go after illegals that want to cut through there. My state rep informed me of this and i can't believe this is allowable.
    this so called monument butts right up to the border. it will not allow border patrol to chase any illegal that decides to cross there.

    obama just created the largest gateway for illegal to flood into this country.
    the same way he has allowed 50k illegal kids to enter this country since october of this year.

    this guys ignorance of our laws should be enough for removal of office for high crimes.

    i can't believe people voted for this idiot. not just once but twice. he still has 2 more years to go how much further can he ruin this country.
    i don't think we will be able to recover from obama.

    what will be worse if the morons of this nation will put hillary in next.
    of course after amnesty is passed which is why we are seeing this flood of illegal immigration it will all but ensure her victory.
    Right on ludin. I couldn't have said it better.
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    Besides the obvious BS that this is causing...has any other President unilaterally made something "national monuments"?
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    Re: Obama Establishes National Monument in New Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Another land grab. THis represents about 2% of all land in New Mexico. He does this under an act passed in 1906 by Teddy Roosevelt, even though no such power exists in the constitution to do so. I dont know what the legal status of the land was before this. I assume the federal govt would argue that it owns all of southwest due to the Mexican War, and states just rent it. So it can decide how all of it will be used.
    CBP maintains that this will have no effect on border security!


    This designation will in no way limit our ability to perform our important border security mission, and in fact provides important flexibility as we work to meet this ongoing priority, said spokeswoman Jenny Burke. CBP is committed to continuing to work closely with the Department of the Interior and the U.S. Forest Service to maintain border security while ensuring the protection of the environment along the border.

    Read more: Obama to designate national monument in New Mexico - Washington Times
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    Gotta blame that damn republican Roosevelt for setting a precedent since used by democratic and republican presidents alike.
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