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Florida Lawmaker Warns Common Core Will Turn Children 'Homosexual'

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Over the past few months the new U.S. education standard known as 'Common Core' has attracted its fair share of negative attention by opponents.

But Florida Republican State Rep. Charles Van Zanttook the Common Core critique to a new level by claiming that the educational initiative promoted by the Obama administration will turn your children "homosexual".

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmaker-warns-common-core-turn-children-homosexual-234838097--abc-new-politics.html




I wonder and I'm just going to ask if anyone on the Debate Politics Forum agrees with Glenn Beck when he says that Common Core is "breeding an entire new generation of slaves'?

If anyone agrees with Beck, and if Florida Rep Van Zant is correct they'll be homosexual slaves, eh?
 
shrubnose said:
Over the past few months the new U.S. education standard known as 'Common Core' has attracted its fair share of negative attention by opponents.

But Florida Republican State Rep. Charles Van Zanttook the Common Core critique to a new level by claiming that the educational initiative promoted by the Obama administration will turn your children "homosexual".

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmaker-warns-common-core-turn-children-homosexual-234838097--abc-new-politics.html




I wonder and I'm just going to ask if anyone on the Debate Politics Forum agrees with Glenn Beck when he says that Common Core is "breeding an entire new generation of slaves'?

If anyone agrees with Beck, and if Florida Rep Van Zant is correct they'll be homosexual slaves, eh?
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Common Core does suck, but just not that way.
 
I dont know anything about the US educational system.

Is it true that words like "phd", "diploma", "masters degree" and "graduate degree" are not understood as achievements but as product brands there?

And that for 2000 dollars you can go to a wooden shed in the middle of some swamp where a fat guy with a beer hat, will print you a "degree"?
 
The German said:
I dont know anything about the US educational system.

Is it true that words like "phd", "diploma", "masters degree" and "graduate degree" are not understood as achievements but as product brands there?

And that for 2000 dollars you can go to a wooden shed in the middle of some swamp where a fat guy with a beer hat, will print you a "degree"?
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Schools maintain records. Employers do background checks. I am sure that if I went to law firm to apply to be a ambulance chaser they would check out my credentials to see if I am actually qualified.
 
shrubnose said:
Over the past few months the new U.S. education standard known as 'Common Core' has attracted its fair share of negative attention by opponents.

But Florida Republican State Rep. Charles Van Zanttook the Common Core critique to a new level by claiming that the educational initiative promoted by the Obama administration will turn your children "homosexual".

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmaker-warns-common-core-turn-children-homosexual-234838097--abc-new-politics.html



I wonder and I'm just going to ask if anyone on the Debate Politics Forum agrees with Glenn Beck when he says that Common Core is "breeding an entire new generation of slaves'?

If anyone agrees with Beck, and if Florida Rep Van Zant is correct they'll be homosexual slaves, eh?
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Thanks to that moron the common core supporters will use that idiot's comments to discredit common core opponents.
 
The German said:
I dont know anything about the US educational system.

Is it true that words like "phd", "diploma", "masters degree" and "graduate degree" are not understood as achievements but as product brands there?

And that for 2000 dollars you can go to a wooden shed in the middle of some swamp where a fat guy with a beer hat, will print you a "degree"?
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Patriot Bible Univeristy

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Beaudreaux said:
Common Core does suck, but just not that way.
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Common Core itself is largely benevolent, but meaningless (like most standards). The curriculum designers that want to patch on top of Common Core (and even want to slap the label of Common Core onto it), on the other hand, do suck (also, in another way).
 
shrubnose said:
Over the past few months the new U.S. education standard known as 'Common Core' has attracted its fair share of negative attention by opponents.

But Florida Republican State Rep. Charles Van Zanttook the Common Core critique to a new level by claiming that the educational initiative promoted by the Obama administration will turn your children "homosexual".

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmaker-warns-common-core-turn-children-homosexual-234838097--abc-new-politics.html




I wonder and I'm just going to ask if anyone on the Debate Politics Forum agrees with Glenn Beck when he says that Common Core is "breeding an entire new generation of slaves'?

If anyone agrees with Beck, and if Florida Rep Van Zant is correct they'll be homosexual slaves, eh?
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Okay, Common Core is a very pitiful system. It standardizes mediocrity and only deepens the poor teaching style of teaching for a test (that is also standardized to low standards). I wouldn't say that it is making our children slaves, thats a bit to the extreme. I like to save fanatic opposition for things like wars. However, I believe it is clearly limiting the worth of school in allowing kids to grow intellectually and to critically think to a dangerous degree. I've seen first hand how poor public school was before common core. With school being where a lot of students get all or most of their learning, to continuously worsen the system is a very bad idea.

The homosexual part should go in one ear and out the other. Leave it to a Republican to say something moronic like that. At least he didn't mention rape so that's a positive change I suppose
 
jamesrage said:
Schools maintain records. Employers do background checks.
I am sure that if I went to law firm to apply to be a ambulance chaser they would check out my credentials to see if I am actually qualified.
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Maybe so.

It depends on the firm.

I'm sure that many of them would be happy to hire you and put you out there to make money for the firm if you met their minimum requirements.

If you have any evidence to the contrary, I'd like to see it.
 
The German said:
And that for 2000 dollars you can go to a wooden shed in the middle of some swamp where a fat guy with a beer hat, will print you a "degree"?
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Of course, and in some states people seem to get their driver's license from cereal boxes.
 
My issue with common core is the mathematics, they seem to keep coming up with more and more complex ways to teach basic math, the United States is pitifully behind on math and sciences. Some of the ways they're teaching common core math are just stupidly complex above what is nessecary.
 
EMNofSeattle said:
My issue with common core is the mathematics, they seem to keep coming up with more and more complex ways to teach basic math, the United States is pitifully behind on math and sciences. Some of the ways they're teaching common core math are just stupidly complex above what is nessecary.
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It's actually a better method that teaches better understanding of the problem, rather than just arriving at an answer. Parents weren't taught this, so they struggle. They assume since they have trouble, it must be bad.
 
Deuce said:
It's actually a better method that teaches better understanding of the problem, rather than just arriving at an answer. Parents weren't taught this, so they struggle. They assume since they have trouble, it must be bad.
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Math is all about the answer. Period. You must get the right answer as effeceintly as possible. And since every generation since the boomers is getting worse at math each generation, maybe the parents struggling who score better at math should be the people emulated, instead of arriving at these frankensteinian theorems, I guarantee you they're not teaching lattice multiplication and partial sums formula in china and India.
 
My son is just in Kindergarten, so I have very little exposure to what common core really is (especially with us moving during the school year to a different state). And it's been a while since I was in school (I especially don't remember how I learned what I did in K-3 at least, I just know I was ahead of most students in my class during most of those grades), so I have little to compare it to from my own experience.

I will say it is annoying to get the same math homework over and over again, each week when my son is working on a higher level. We (my son and me, his father, and my brother, who are working with him on this) are starting multiplication, while the homework is very basic addition/subtraction 10 or less. The method seems like it would be better for overall learning (understanding why) but the implementation just seems cumbersome and slow, especially for kids who are ahead/learn faster.
 
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While common core seems to be the most difficult way you could possibly teach simple math, I doubt it will turn anyone gay. Where do they get this stuff?
 
shrubnose said:
Maybe so.

It depends on the firm.

I'm sure that many of them would be happy to hire you and put you out there to make money for the firm if you met their minimum requirements.

If you have any evidence to the contrary, I'd like to see it.
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If you have evidence of you claim, we would like to see that too.
 
shrubnose said:
But Florida Republican State Rep. Charles Van Zanttook the Common Core critique to a new level by claiming that the educational initiative promoted by the Obama administration will turn your children "homosexual".
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Sounds like the guy is an utter moron.

I wonder and I'm just going to ask if anyone on the Debate Politics Forum agrees with Glenn Beck when he says that Common Core is "breeding an entire new generation of slaves'?
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Slaves? No. Good little idiots, sure seems like it.
 
Deuce said:
It's actually a better method that teaches better understanding of the problem, rather than just arriving at an answer.
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:roll:





 
If only that were the case....Homosexuals could use a bigger dating pool after all
 
EMNofSeattle said:
Math is all about the answer. Period. You must get the right answer as effeceintly as possible. And since every generation since the boomers is getting worse at math each generation, maybe the parents struggling who score better at math should be the people emulated, instead of arriving at these frankensteinian theorems, I guarantee you they're not teaching lattice multiplication and partial sums formula in china and India.
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An answer to a math problem is useless if you don't understand the problem or the answer. We've been teaching people to do arithmetic in a vacuum, but nothing in the world works that way. We're teaching kids to do math but not teaching them to apply any of it.
 
shrubnose said:
Over the past few months the new U.S. education standard known as 'Common Core' has attracted its fair share of negative attention by opponents.

But Florida Republican State Rep. Charles Van Zanttook the Common Core critique to a new level by claiming that the educational initiative promoted by the Obama administration will turn your children "homosexual".

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/florida-lawmaker-warns-common-core-turn-children-homosexual-234838097--abc-new-politics.html




I wonder and I'm just going to ask if anyone on the Debate Politics Forum agrees with Glenn Beck when he says that Common Core is "breeding an entire new generation of slaves'?

If anyone agrees with Beck, and if Florida Rep Van Zant is correct they'll be homosexual slaves, eh?
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I think we need standards and the Common Core is a framework. What I don't like is how the standards are being used on high stake test as if all students can reach the same level at the same time which completely ignores the fact a bell curve exist. Just a fact. Some in the education field are grounded in reality. They give entry points for kids that are on IEPs but the only time you can use them is if the child is taking an ALT test which if very rare. Otherwise, they all take the same test and are expected to be proficient on grade level standards 5 months into the school year (they are tested the first week in March for ELA in MA). It's ridiculous.
 
Deuce said:
An answer to a math problem is useless if you don't understand the problem or the answer. We've been teaching people to do arithmetic in a vacuum, but nothing in the world works that way. We're teaching kids to do math but not teaching them to apply any of it.
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I don't think this is true. I learned how to apply those basic math principles I leaned in elementary school later in middle and high school, and then more in NNPTC. Plus, many children who learned math prior to CC were learning at least basic applications of those principles in some way or another. It just wasn't standardized or absolutely required in the classroom. It was more of just part of the majority of teachers' own plans.

Many people have issues with fractions and the best way to teach that is to apply it to something like pie or pizza slices or money. I don't know anyone who didn't learn at least some math concepts and why math works the way it does and how to apply it sometime during their childhood. It was just informal. "If I have 6 apples and give 2 to Suzy, how many apples do I have left?"
 
Deuce said:
Yes, people rail against things that are different than what they taught.
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Gonna keep that line eh? With all the evidence that goes to show how utterly stupid the methods are, how unnecessarily time consuming, how it will move education in the US backwards rather than forwards.

Thanks for not watching the videos where you would have to confront some of these realities.
 
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