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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's the military. Firing people didn't fix the problem when three generals were forced to resign back in 2007 over the Walter Reed Hospital Scandal. Demanding resignations doesn't fix the problem because it's inbred in the culture.

    The other problem with demanding resignations is that people can learn from their mistakes and are less likely to make the same mistakes again, as opposed to bringing in someone new and having the same mistakes made as under previous leadership.....which appears to be the case here.
    The VA isn't a part of the armed forces.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Of course the people who actually commited a crime should be held accountable. But I don't think Shenki(?) is responsible for cooking the books, so what good what it do to fire him? A new commander isn't going to change the culture or the bureaucracy at the VA anymore than the last four or five firings and resignations did.
    There were 26 hospitals who faked information. That decision came from on high. If Shenki knew, then he needs to go to jail. If he didn't know, he's too incompetent to run the show.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Shinseki was pressured into retiring a week early.

    Guess that showed him.
    No he wasn't.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Only after he lied about WMDs that the French had, hence the French-Indian war.
    I thought were talking about The Boer War.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

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    No he wasn't.
    Thanks, apdst. Someone corrected me in an earlier post.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Obama has got his best tiger teams on this...and you can bet they are doubling down to fix this just like they did with healthcare. Were going to come out of this with the greatest VA system the world has ever seen because Barack is on the case now...
    Caitlyn Strong...

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There were 26 hospitals who faked information. That decision came from on high. If Shenki knew, then he needs to go to jail. If he didn't know, he's too incompetent to run the show.
    There is a third option...he didn't know and he isn't incompetent.

    "...The accusations come from Dr. Sam Foote, who worked at the VA for 24 years before retiring in December. He then sent letters to government officials, the Arizona Republic and CNN saying that VA administrators had two waiting lists: the fake one they sent to higher-ups that showed patients were seen in a timely fashion in line with VA standards; and the real one where some patients waited over a year for treatment...."
    Phoenix VA Director Put on Leave After Secret Wait List, Patient Death Allegations - The Wire

    I don't think getting lied to makes someone incompetent. I just think it means they were deceived.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I thought were talking about The Boer War.
    The Boer war happen after someone confused Churchill for a boar.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's the military. Firing people didn't fix the problem when three generals were forced to resign back in 2007 over the Walter Reed Hospital Scandal. Demanding resignations doesn't fix the problem because it's inbred in the culture.

    The other problem with demanding resignations is that people can learn from their mistakes and are less likely to make the same mistakes again, as opposed to bringing in someone new and having the same mistakes made as under previous leadership.....which appears to be the case here.
    The VA is not part of the military.

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