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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I think they already tried that and it was pretty lame at best.....


    Amid probe, already retiring VA official announces 'resignation'*-*Los Angeles Times
    Shineki is the shield - Petzel was the guy who falls on his sword. There's still more to come.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

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    Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it' - CNN.com


    Seems to me he stood for it a long time
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    Actually he probably sat for it, there's no way that the man could have been standing since January, 2009

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Shineki is the shield - Petzel was the guy who falls on his sword. There's still more to come.
    Petzel had already announced his retirement before they tried to use him as a scapegoat. Now Shinseki actually has to prove his stripes and deal with the crisis instead of passing it on for the next guy to deal with.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Obama is truly outraged. He's so outraged, in fact, that he will sit back in his chair and do nothing about it like every single other thing he's been "outraged" about.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Hillary didn't have to resign. Well what difference, at this point, does it make?
    Hell they still dont know who received what emails, when, or who gave the bull**** story about the video.

    With Obama your choices are corrupt liar or complete moron. I'm willing to take him at his word.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Neither the government nor the VA will listen to perceived fools (you and I).
    That, IMO is the problem, that and knocking others(particularly our President) without them being around to debate and refute..
    I am a patient of the VA medical system...at least it is affordable is clumsy and slow at times...It can be improved....the director of the VA can listen to some patients(but not me, damnit)...
    BTW, its the job of Congress to do these things (improve), NOT the President. We need a Democratic Congress with Democratic control in the House....the tea baggers must go !
    And, Shrub, do you have just one good idea as to improving our VA ?
    I do ...I think their communications can be better, right now, it is stifled by conservatism and excessive security.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Neither the government nor the VA will listen to perceived fools (you and I).
    That, IMO is the problem, that and knocking others(particularly our President) without them being around to debate and refute..
    I am a patient of the VA medical system...at least it is affordable is clumsy and slow at times...It can be improved....the director of the VA can listen to some patients(but not me, damnit)...
    BTW, its the job of Congress to do these things (improve), NOT the President. We need a Democratic Congress with Democratic control in the House....the tea baggers must go !
    And, Shrub, do you have just one good idea as to improving our VA ?
    I do ...I think their communications can be better, right now, it is stifled by conservatism and excessive security.
    I have a better idea than improving their communication... they could... I dunno... not cook the books on waiting lists for example. The head of the VA is a position filled by the President yet you don't think he's at all involved nor should be?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    He's kinda screwed no matter what. Suppose he fires the head of the VA. Why? For knowing it was ****ed up and doing nothing about it? Hell, thats his whole administration. For NOT knowing it was ****ed up in the first place? Again...his WHOLE administration. For failure to provide adequate oversight? Thats three for three.
    I'm reminded of the Walter Reed scandal. In 2004 and 2005 articles appeared in 'The Post', and 'Salon' interviewing a 1LT Goodrum who was being court martialed for seeking medical care away from Walter Reed's terrible conditions.

    Army officials would claim in 2007 they were surprised by the articles published in the 'Washington Post'- first time they heard of any of this....

    But wait there is more... in 1999 the problems were identified to senior military officials, nothing was done. In 2001 Cpt. Drake made his superiors, Col. Carroll and Col. Bolton aware of the problems. Gen. Kiley toured the facility and refused to approve funding for improvements in 2002. So this was firmly an issue at the very beginning of the BushII administration. The huge stress the War in Iraq put on ALL of the military medical services should have been a touchstone of a President who would later be heralded as so concerned about the welfare of the troops who were wounded in the war he started.

    So what happened after the 'Washington Post' ran the series.... Gates is shocked and appalled- Sec of the Army Harvey fires the Commander of Walter Reed (Gen Weightman) who had been on duty for a whole 6 months... Harvey hires Gen Kiley to run the hospital, and is in turn fired by Gates as not moving fast enough. Kiley retires when the new Sec of Army decides he should be relieved.

    That's about it so far as holding people accountable- BushII appoints the Clinton's Sec of H & H Donna Shalala and Bob Dole to head a committee to investigate and recommend fixes.

    The VA gets drug into it and promises to overhaul their system as well.

    So for 7 years the chain of command knew about the horrible conditions in building 18 (Gen Kiley lived across the street from Blg 18) but not until the 'Washington Post' publishes does the stuff hit the fan.

    To quote the White House press release- " first learned of the troubling allegations regarding Walter Reed form the stories this weekend from the 'Washington Post'."

    However his press sec Snow claims he doesn't know how the President didn't know about the conditions from all the visits for the last 5 years.

    I don't recall President Bush making a major daytime speech on the scandal. When Snow was asked if the President would comment further, the reply was no.

    So it does seem like the same old song, but now a President is front and center on demanding a fix, rather than delegate the issue to the SoD.

    Anyway as a vet I can say if there was a pattern of cover-up and vets died- people need to go to jail. If supervisors up the chain knew and buried the reports they need to go to jail. My personal thought on the VA is it needs to adopt a voucher program to allow vets to go to local civilian hospitals for care.

    Now some posters do the 'our vets deserve the best' dance... well perhaps our wounded vets, but I have been around long enough to know that ain't gonna happen and most vets risked nothing but a paper cut in defense of our Grand and Glorious Republic. Still it would be nice to be treated at least as well as someone on medicare- imagine the stink if Medicare patients had to go to only a handful of facilities and see only the doctors inside that building....

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    This is an actual scandal. But, since the Right has been crying wolf over everything from Benghazi to fast and furious, nobody is listening. Didn't you guys pay attention when yo mamma read you bedtime stories?

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    This is an actual scandal. But, since the Right has been crying wolf over everything from Benghazi to fast and furious, nobody is listening. Didn't you guys pay attention when yo mamma read you bedtime stories?
    Crying wolf? Americans are killed because of something our government did or did not do, and we are crying wolf if we demand an explanation for that? American privacy is blatantly violated by the government for political purposes and we cry wolf if we object to that?

    And now with dozens dying that the VA has admitted that delay was a factor and the possibility that there have been hundreds, even thousands, of such cases, of course it is a scandal. The VA has always sucked as all government controlled medical care sucks, but certainly it warrants investigation and, if there was negligence and/or malfeasance, heads should roll.

    But head don't roll under the Obama administration do they. Obama expresses the appropriate outrage initially, then says he has to wait for all the information before acting, and then it usually isn't too long before the issue is consigned to the list of 'phony scandals'.

    Who wants to give odds that he or his spokepersons will consign the VA scandal to the 'phony scandal' list before much longer?

    I wrote this (elsewhere) back in last July. I think we can add the VA scandal to the list.

    By one pundit's account, since his first inauguration, President Obama is on his 17th speech making tour focusing on job creation. This time the catch phrase he uses again and again, and is being picked up by surrogate talking heads, is that the Republicans try to block efforts to create jobs with distractions such as, among other things, 'phony scandals.'

    Really?

    - The fact that the families of those killed and wounded in Benghazi still can't get straight answers from the administration, and witnesses are ordered into silence is a 'phony scandal'?

    - GSA employees spending millions of tax payer dollars having a high old time and making videos of themselves is not a scandal? Ditto federal employees in other agencies?

    - IRS blocking hundreds of applications of conservative groups and almost no applications of liberal groups in the years prior to the 2010 and 2012 elections is not a scandal?

    - Labeling a news reporters as a possible felon to justify a personal investigation of him, for no reason other than he was investigating some of these things, is not a scandal?

    - Collecting e-mails and other personal information from all AP reporters is not a scandal?

    - Collecting phone et al information from millions of Americans is not a scandal?

    - Federal investigation/continued persecution of one citizen declared not guilty by a jury of his peers when hundreds/thousands of racially motivated henious crimes go unmentioned at the federal level is not a scandal?

    - The fact that every single time the President has declared he knew nothing of federal misconduct and found out about it the same way we did--in the media--is not a scandal?
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