Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

Dittohead not! said:

When my dad went to the VA, he got right in, saw a doctor right away, and was admitted to the hospital. That was in California.

I wonder if the problems with the VA might be local rather than a general indictment of VA?

Or, maybe the services have been overwhelmed by the needs of soldiers coming home from Iraq and Afganistan with severe war wounds.

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There is no excuse for the inexcusable. Stop fishing for one.

Grant said:

Don't want to run off track but there are many who believe that the government getting involved heavily in health care is a good thing and nothing like VA will occur. Glowing reports from other countries, including Canada, have been used as examples of government competence. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/can...it-times-may-cost-44-273-women-192709161.html Caveat Emptor!

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Some will have to live a nightmare before they will be convinced there are better ways of doing things. It's just a matter of time.

jmotivator said:

There is no excuse for the inexcusable. Stop fishing for one.

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I didn't say there was, just that the inexcusable story might be an isolated incident.

jmotivator said:

Aint that the truth. The Left's solution for failed government is always more government.

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Heya JM :2wave: BO's response to this is quite telling isn't it.....he is still waiting to find out things thru the investigation huh? I think he could have went with the press and figured out they weren't lying when they said Vets had died due to these lists. Coming out of 9 different locations now.


Think about this.....the VA is almost like a Single Payer System. So we are getting a preview of what it will be like under single payer. Layers and layers of bureaucracy. Which leads to more inefficiencies, more regulations.

One thing the Democrats and Team BO do need to start learning......is to quit calling on whatever Dept or Agency to investigate it's ownself. Enough is enough.

We have Fraud and Crimes here.....so you don't let the VA investigate itself. There is no way they can investigate themselves properly. Same deal with the IRS. Same Deal with the State Dept. The press needs to start hitting home on that very fact with BO.

Dittohead not! said:

I didn't say there was, just that the inexcusable story might be an isolated incident.

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Obama didn't tout it as an 'isolated incident' in 2008. He strongly criticized President Bush's 'incompetent' administration of the VA and solemnly promised that in his (Obama's) administration it would not stand and it would be corrected immediately. Now, six years later he claims he is just finding out how bad things are and solemnly promises to get to the bottom of it?

Sorry. That pig already flew sometime back.

Dittohead not! said:

I didn't say there was, just that the inexcusable story might be an isolated incident.

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I would say given the evidence you have provided that it is more likely that your father's competent care through the VA is the isolated incident.

cpgrad08 said:

You can't hold the boss responsible for his Administration actions.

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Actually, we should hold them all, Democrat and Republican alike, accountable. The Republicans who are screaming about this the most filibustered the Veterans Health Bill. Talk about partisan douchebaggery. Does Obama need to be held accountable? You bet your ass he does. And don't forget that this was a scandal under the Bush administration too. Remember Walter Reed? Only the worst partisan hacks will attack Obama without attacking their own, who are just as ****ing responsible. Me? I'm glad I'm an equal opportunity basher. Political party doesn't matter. I hate every damn one of those self-serving sons of bitches.

Jon Stewart, nobody's idea of a rightwinger, and admittedly an entertainer, got it right on the VA Hospital mess, and for once told the truth about those eeeeeeevul Republicans:

John Stewart Goes Off on Obama's Incompetence and Broken Promises to Fix the VA Backlogs | Clash Daily

He didn't give them any kind of a pass, but he was honest they they are NOT responsible for how the problem has so escalated and become so much worse under Obama.

j-mac said:

While I agree, can you imagine the progressive attack against Republican's had they proposed doing away with the VA, or cutting funding in favor of this?

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HEADLINE:
"Holocaust: Millions of vets left to die at the hands of Republican Party!!!!"

danarhea said:

Actually, we should hold them all, Democrat and Republican alike, accountable. The Republicans who are screaming about this the most filibustered the Veterans Health Bill. Talk about partisan douchebaggery. Does Obama need to be held accountable? You bet your ass he does. And don't forget that this was a scandal under the Bush administration too. Remember Walter Reed? Only the worst partisan hacks will attack Obama without attacking their own, who are just as ****ing responsible. Me? I'm glad I'm an equal opportunity basher. Political party doesn't matter. I hate every damn one of those self-serving sons of bitches.

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Actually we should present it for what it was.


Republicans criticized how most of Sanders' bill was paid for — with unspent money from the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq and the winding down of American military involvement in Afghanistan. The GOP says those are not real savings because no one expected those dollars to be spent as those wars ended.

Republicans also objected to provisions making more veterans without service-connected injuries eligible for treatment at Department of Veterans Affairs facilities. They said that would swamp an already overburdened system.

Within moments, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee unleashed an email headlined, "Mitch McConnell Votes Against Kentucky Veterans." McConnell is up for re-election this year.

Republicans said there would be no retribution from voters because the Democratic bill would have harmed veterans' services by flooding them with too many people. They also said this year's election campaigns will focus on other issues, such as President Barack Obama's health law.

"We're sort of fooling ourselves to believe that this drives the election issue list," said Sen. Richard Burr of North Carolina, top Republican on the Veterans' Affairs Committee.

Thursday's showdown came after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D) of Nevada refused to allow votes on a GOP amendment slicing the bill's size and adding the penalties against Iran for its nuclear program.

Obama opposes new penalties while international negotiations with Iran proceed.

Fifty-nine senators of both parties have sponsored a separate bill imposing the punishment if the talks fail, though Obama's effort has weakened Democratic calls for a quick Senate vote. A vote could put the administration and some Democrats who favor the proposal in an awkward spot.....snip~

Republicans block Senate bill to boost veterans' benefits - CSMonitor.com

Sometimes the Devil is in the Lil details.....Dan.

In fairness to Obama, he did not propose cuts to veteran's benefits in his willingness to cut $500 billion from the defense budget. He cannot be accused of shortchanging veterans. He can only be accused of incompetence in fulfilling his campaign promises and, as has been the case in so many unconscionable Washington scandals, of negligence of oversight. The very fact that he says he had no idea things were so bad is a testimony to that. Heads should be rolling on the fact that he didn't know unless he makes his people afraid to tell him bad news - or orders them not to tell him so he can claim he didn't know. Whatever the situation, it cannot be justified.

Politifact rated the follow as true and it has been substantiated by numerous other sources:

The following shows VA funding as recorded by the Congressional Research Office. The first number - in billions - reflects the dollar amount at that time - the second number shows the adjustment to 2011 dollars.

So the question remains, what are they doing with all that money if the situation has so severely deteriorated under Obama's watch? I am NOT saying that Obama himself is responsible for any negligence or malfeasance at the VA. I AM saying that his typical expressed outrage and declaration that he didn't know flies in the face of credibility when candidate Obama campaigned on fixing the problems in the VA. And the fact that he says he didn't know of problems the past six years makes him a terrible leader and administrator.

AlbqOwl said:

Obama didn't tout it as an 'isolated incident' in 2008. He strongly criticized President Bush's 'incompetent' administration of the VA and solemnly promised that in his (Obama's) administration it would not stand and it would be corrected immediately. Now, six years later he claims he is just finding out how bad things are and solemnly promises to get to the bottom of it?

Sorry. That pig already flew sometime back.

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Of course he didn't. He was Candidate Obama at the time, quite different from President Obama. That's how the game of politics is played.

jmotivator said:

I would say given the evidence you have provided that it is more likely that your father's competent care through the VA is the isolated incident.

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Could be, I'm not sure. That was before the VA was overwhelmed by the numbers of soldiers returning injured from Iraq and Afganistan.

Support our soldiers is a great slogan, but it doesn't always translate into the resources necessary to take care of them when they return from war.

SHAPIRO: Left's VA-Worship Comes Back to Bite | Truth Revolt

Krugman that jackass, why doesn't he stick to what he knows, like lying about the economy. Suddenly he's a healthcare expert.......................NOT.

American said:

SHAPIRO: Left's VA-Worship Comes Back to Bite | Truth Revolt

Krugman that jackass, why doesn't he stick to what he knows, like lying about the economy. Suddenly he's a healthcare expert.......................NOT.

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Bumping up your thread American.


Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations.....

As of yesterday's writing, the total was nine. Now it's up to eleven and counting, with new "isolated cases" in Florida and West Virginia expanding the scope of the scandal. CNN:

An audit team sent to the Malcom Randall VA Medical Center in Gainesville, Florida, discovered a list of patients needing follow-up appointments that was kept on paper instead of in the VA's electronic computer system. As a result, the VA's Office of Inspector General has opened an investigation and three members of the Gainesville VA's supervisory staff have been placed on paid leave, pending the outcome of an investigation, VA Sunshine Healthcare Network (VISN 8) spokeswoman Mary Kay Hollingsworth said Monday. The latest allegation comes as the Department of Veterans Affairs defends itself against claims of potentially deadly delays at other facilities nationwide. .....snip~

Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations - Guy Benson




What say ye? CNN laying it to BO and His Team. :shock:

Dittohead not! said:

Of course he didn't. He was Candidate Obama at the time, quite different from President Obama. That's how the game of politics is played.


Could be, I'm not sure. That was before the VA was overwhelmed by the numbers of soldiers returning injured from Iraq and Afganistan.

Support our soldiers is a great slogan, but it doesn't always translate into the resources necessary to take care of them when they return from war.

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But we had even larger numbers returning from the Vietnam war in the 1970's and, though the VA sucked then too as government run healthcare services always will, we did not have accusations of excessive waits for medical care as we are hearing about now. So we have to consider that pig in the equation too.

AlbqOwl said:

Obama didn't tout it as an 'isolated incident' in 2008. He strongly criticized President Bush's 'incompetent' administration of the VA and solemnly promised that in his (Obama's) administration it would not stand and it would be corrected immediately. Now, six years later he claims he is just finding out how bad things are and solemnly promises to get to the bottom of it?

Sorry. That pig already flew sometime back.

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AlbqOwl said:

But we had even larger numbers returning from the Vietnam war in the 1970's and, though the VA sucked then too as government run healthcare services always will, we did not have accusations of excessive waits for medical care as we are hearing about now. So we have to consider that pig in the equation too.

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Good point.

AlbqOwl said:

But we had even larger numbers returning from the Vietnam war in the 1970's and, though the VA sucked then too as government run healthcare services always will, we did not have accusations of excessive waits for medical care as we are hearing about now. So we have to consider that pig in the equation too.

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Heya AO. What do you think of CNN tearing up BO on this issue? Don't ya just luv that......BUUUUUT.....Tsk. :mrgreen:

Then they lay into how CNN has been reporting this for 6 months. How could BO forget. Or be so Angry about his Campaign Promise. Now 2 more locations and some whistleblowers.

Oh and another scandal for BO to deal with. Although this time I don't think the MS media is going to be so lenient with him

Despite his stopping in here today.....at home, Sweet Home Chicago. Where he will attend a fundraiser and some cocktails. While he jumps Right on this issue he is so outraged over. :roll:

MMC said:

Heya AO.

What do you think of CNN tearing up BO on this issue? Don't ya just luv that......BUUUUUT.....Tsk. :mrgreen:

Then they lay into how CNN has been reporting this for 6 months. How could BO forget. Or be so Angry about his Campaign Promise. Now 2 more locations and some whistleblowers.

Oh and another scandal for BO to deal with. Although this time I don't think the MS media is going to be so lenient with him

Despite his stopping in here today.....at home, Sweet Home Chicago. Where he will attend a fundraiser and some cocktails. While he jumps Right on this issue he is so outraged over. :roll:

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Doesn't the guy really make you sick to your stomach? I mean literally he does mine.


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MMC said:

Bumping up your thread American.

Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations.....

As of yesterday's writing, the total was nine. Now it's up to eleven and counting, with new "isolated cases" in Florida and West Virginia expanding the scope of the scandal. CNN:

An audit team sent to the Malcom Randall VA Medical Center in Gainesville, Florida, discovered a list of patients needing follow-up appointments that was kept on paper instead of in the VA's electronic computer system. As a result, the VA's Office of Inspector General has opened an investigation and three members of the Gainesville VA's supervisory staff have been placed on paid leave, pending the outcome of an investigation, VA Sunshine Healthcare Network (VISN 8) spokeswoman Mary Kay Hollingsworth said Monday. The latest allegation comes as the Department of Veterans Affairs defends itself against claims of potentially deadly delays at other facilities nationwide. .....snip~

Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations - Guy Benson




What say ye? CNN laying it to BO and His Team. :shock:

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I can tell you for a fact that OBAMA WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!!!!! :blastem:

This whole thing is gut wrenching. Vets make it through a damn war zone alive then come home and die waiting for medical treatment. Sickening. And the man knew of the problems with the VA when he was a senator. But hear it told today he just found out about it. But then again, he didn't know anything about Fast and Furious till he read about it in the newspapers. He wasn't aware of the spying going on of heads of state till he ordered a review. He didn't know Obamacare was riddled with so many problems till after it was launched in October. He first claimed Benghazi was the result of some unknown video on YouTube. My God there is no end to it.

American said:

I can tell you for a fact that OBAMA WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!!!!! :blastem:

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Yes, it is easier to fund raise while sitting down blaming Republicans and smiling a Big cheesy grin.

Although he won't like CNN bringing up all he had to say about what he knew and wanted done, from 2007 ad 2008 after he was sworn in.

MMC said:

Yes, it is easier to fund raise while sitting down blaming Republicans and smiling a Big cheesy grin.

Although he won't like CNN bringing up all he had to say about what he knew and wanted done, from 2007 ad 2008 after he was sworn in.

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Or the fact that there was a massive coverup and flat out intentional distortion of the facts. Where is Obama's outrage about that?

And as a long-time observer of how these things go, I am watching for what they'll come up with as a 'wag the dog' issue to get this off the front pages. Where is a good George Zimmerman or Sandra Fluke story when you need one?

AlbqOwl said:

Or the fact that there was a massive coverup and flat out intentional distortion of the facts. Where is Obama's outrage about that?

. . .Six months ago, CNN turned loose its own investigative reporters and aired stories about excessive waits in several facilities across the country. Again, the VA and the White House had little to say.

Then a month ago, CNN (along with the Arizona Republic) broke the story from the Phoenix VA that managers there have allegedly been cooking their books to provide false assurances. Veterans awaiting care were dying. The administration seemed to brush the story aside and Shinseki refused repeated requests from CNN for an interview.

Recent days have been a political nightmare for the VA. Hauled before Congress to testify, Shinseki testified that evidence suggested only "isolated incidents" in the system. That same day CNN was reporting that there were allegations of misdeeds in at least six centers across the country. The next day the VA itself said there were 10 centers under investigation. By this week, the official number had mushroomed to 26. And weeks after the fact, the VA has rescinded a bonus it gave earlier this year to the boss of that Phoenix operation.

In the weeks ahead, the administration now says, investigators will come up with reports and maybe some folks will be forced out. We will see. In the meantime, veterans are still waiting to hear of decisive action to end their long delays in care.

When troubles arise in which Americans are needlessly dying, citizens like to think of the president as the fireman-in-chief. He is there in the White House, his team ever vigilant, and at the first sign of danger, he leads his team into action. At his side is the Cabinet officer with responsibility. Sadly, that is not what happened here. . . .
Gergen: Obama, Shinseki stories on VA medical care don't add up - CNN.com
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Yeah, and lets not forget Shenseki also was the General that Criticized Bushed over Iraq and publically got into it with Rumsfeld. Yet BO Kept him/The Repub around.....huh?

MaggieD said:

These were not mistakes. This was a concerted effort of subterfuge for $$. I'm not talking about demanding resignations. I'm talking about serving walking papers.

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Serving beatings would be more appropriate.