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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    In fairness to Obama, he did not propose cuts to veteran's benefits in his willingness to cut $500 billion from the defense budget. He cannot be accused of shortchanging veterans. He can only be accused of incompetence in fulfilling his campaign promises and, as has been the case in so many unconscionable Washington scandals, of negligence of oversight. The very fact that he says he had no idea things were so bad is a testimony to that. Heads should be rolling on the fact that he didn't know unless he makes his people afraid to tell him bad news - or orders them not to tell him so he can claim he didn't know. Whatever the situation, it cannot be justified.

    Politifact rated the follow as true and it has been substantiated by numerous other sources:
    "The president’s budget request for FY2013 veterans spending is $140 billion -- more than double the amount in constant dollars appropriated in 1980, when the veterans population was larger by a third," Webb, D-Va., said in a May 14 interview with the Richmond Times-Dispatch. . .

    . . . Schuda said that in 1980, there were 30.1 million veterans. The most recent VA numbers show there were 22.2 million veterans in September 2011. . .

    . . . Tim Tetz, legislative director for the American legion, said a key reason VA funding has increased is that Congress in 1996 expanded the number veterans eligible to receive health care from the agency.

    The VA budget has significantly expanded over the last 10 years under Obama as well as former President George W. Bush.

    There are 5.5 million patients in the VA health care system today. In 1980, there was only a fraction of the amount, Tetz said.
    Sen. Jim Webb says spending on veterans has grown dramatically since 1980 | PolitiFact Virginia

    The following shows VA funding as recorded by the Congressional Research Office. The first number - in billions - reflects the dollar amount at that time - the second number shows the adjustment to 2011 dollars.
    1999 - 43,137.8 - 57,962.3
    2000 -44,818.9 -58,531.5
    2001 -48,665.2 -61,449.3
    2002 -53,495.0 - 66,372.7
    2003 -59,673.1 -72,445.7
    2004 -63,824.8 -75,827.4
    2005 -69,436.4 -80,084.3
    2006 -73,736.8 -81,924.4
    2007 -82,013.8 -88,823.3
    2008 -90,525.5 -94,538.6
    2009 -99,447.3 -102,425.9
    2010 -112,694.6 -114,957.6
    2011 -124,383.5 -124,383.5
    2012 -125,304.3 -125,304.3
    http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS22897.pdf

    So the question remains, what are they doing with all that money if the situation has so severely deteriorated under Obama's watch? I am NOT saying that Obama himself is responsible for any negligence or malfeasance at the VA. I AM saying that his typical expressed outrage and declaration that he didn't know flies in the face of credibility when candidate Obama campaigned on fixing the problems in the VA. And the fact that he says he didn't know of problems the past six years makes him a terrible leader and administrator.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Obama didn't tout it as an 'isolated incident' in 2008. He strongly criticized President Bush's 'incompetent' administration of the VA and solemnly promised that in his (Obama's) administration it would not stand and it would be corrected immediately. Now, six years later he claims he is just finding out how bad things are and solemnly promises to get to the bottom of it?

    Sorry. That pig already flew sometime back.
    Of course he didn't. He was Candidate Obama at the time, quite different from President Obama. That's how the game of politics is played.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I would say given the evidence you have provided that it is more likely that your father's competent care through the VA is the isolated incident.
    Could be, I'm not sure. That was before the VA was overwhelmed by the numbers of soldiers returning injured from Iraq and Afganistan.

    Support our soldiers is a great slogan, but it doesn't always translate into the resources necessary to take care of them when they return from war.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    SHAPIRO: Left's VA-Worship Comes Back to Bite | Truth Revolt

    Krugman that jackass, why doesn't he stick to what he knows, like lying about the economy. Suddenly he's a healthcare expert.......................NOT.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    SHAPIRO: Left's VA-Worship Comes Back to Bite | Truth Revolt

    Krugman that jackass, why doesn't he stick to what he knows, like lying about the economy. Suddenly he's a healthcare expert.......................NOT.

    Bumping up your thread American.


    Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations.....

    As of yesterday's writing, the total was nine. Now it's up to eleven and counting, with new "isolated cases" in Florida and West Virginia expanding the scope of the scandal. CNN:

    An audit team sent to the Malcom Randall VA Medical Center in Gainesville, Florida, discovered a list of patients needing follow-up appointments that was kept on paper instead of in the VA's electronic computer system. As a result, the VA's Office of Inspector General has opened an investigation and three members of the Gainesville VA's supervisory staff have been placed on paid leave, pending the outcome of an investigation, VA Sunshine Healthcare Network (VISN 8) spokeswoman Mary Kay Hollingsworth said Monday. The latest allegation comes as the Department of Veterans Affairs defends itself against claims of potentially deadly delays at other facilities nationwide. .....snip~

    Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations - Guy Benson




    What say ye? CNN laying it to BO and His Team.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Of course he didn't. He was Candidate Obama at the time, quite different from President Obama. That's how the game of politics is played.


    Could be, I'm not sure. That was before the VA was overwhelmed by the numbers of soldiers returning injured from Iraq and Afganistan.

    Support our soldiers is a great slogan, but it doesn't always translate into the resources necessary to take care of them when they return from war.
    But we had even larger numbers returning from the Vietnam war in the 1970's and, though the VA sucked then too as government run healthcare services always will, we did not have accusations of excessive waits for medical care as we are hearing about now. So we have to consider that pig in the equation too.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Obama didn't tout it as an 'isolated incident' in 2008. He strongly criticized President Bush's 'incompetent' administration of the VA and solemnly promised that in his (Obama's) administration it would not stand and it would be corrected immediately. Now, six years later he claims he is just finding out how bad things are and solemnly promises to get to the bottom of it?

    Sorry. That pig already flew sometime back.
    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But we had even larger numbers returning from the Vietnam war in the 1970's and, though the VA sucked then too as government run healthcare services always will, we did not have accusations of excessive waits for medical care as we are hearing about now. So we have to consider that pig in the equation too.
    Good point.
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But we had even larger numbers returning from the Vietnam war in the 1970's and, though the VA sucked then too as government run healthcare services always will, we did not have accusations of excessive waits for medical care as we are hearing about now. So we have to consider that pig in the equation too.
    Heya AO. What do you think of CNN tearing up BO on this issue? Don't ya just luv that......BUUUUUT.....Tsk.

    Then they lay into how CNN has been reporting this for 6 months. How could BO forget. Or be so Angry about his Campaign Promise. Now 2 more locations and some whistleblowers.

    Oh and another scandal for BO to deal with. Although this time I don't think the MS media is going to be so lenient with him

    Despite his stopping in here today.....at home, Sweet Home Chicago. Where he will attend a fundraiser and some cocktails. While he jumps Right on this issue he is so outraged over.

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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya AO. What do you think of CNN tearing up BO on this issue? Don't ya just luv that......BUUUUUT.....Tsk.

    Then they lay into how CNN has been reporting this for 6 months. How could BO forget. Or be so Angry about his Campaign Promise. Now 2 more locations and some whistleblowers.

    Oh and another scandal for BO to deal with. Although this time I don't think the MS media is going to be so lenient with him

    Despite his stopping in here today.....at home, Sweet Home Chicago. Where he will attend a fundraiser and some cocktails. While he jumps Right on this issue he is so outraged over.

    Doesn't the guy really make you sick to your stomach? I mean literally he does mine.


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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Bumping up your thread American.


    Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations.....

    As of yesterday's writing, the total was nine. Now it's up to eleven and counting, with new "isolated cases" in Florida and West Virginia expanding the scope of the scandal. CNN:

    An audit team sent to the Malcom Randall VA Medical Center in Gainesville, Florida, discovered a list of patients needing follow-up appointments that was kept on paper instead of in the VA's electronic computer system. As a result, the VA's Office of Inspector General has opened an investigation and three members of the Gainesville VA's supervisory staff have been placed on paid leave, pending the outcome of an investigation, VA Sunshine Healthcare Network (VISN 8) spokeswoman Mary Kay Hollingsworth said Monday. The latest allegation comes as the Department of Veterans Affairs defends itself against claims of potentially deadly delays at other facilities nationwide. .....snip~

    Drip: VA Scandal Whistleblowers Emerge in Two Additional Locations - Guy Benson




    What say ye? CNN laying it to BO and His Team.
    I can tell you for a fact that OBAMA WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS!!!!!
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    Re: Obama on VA allegations: 'I will not stand for it'

    This whole thing is gut wrenching. Vets make it through a damn war zone alive then come home and die waiting for medical treatment. Sickening. And the man knew of the problems with the VA when he was a senator. But hear it told today he just found out about it. But then again, he didn't know anything about Fast and Furious till he read about it in the newspapers. He wasn't aware of the spying going on of heads of state till he ordered a review. He didn't know Obamacare was riddled with so many problems till after it was launched in October. He first claimed Benghazi was the result of some unknown video on YouTube. My God there is no end to it.

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