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Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

Uh no, in the US however, which is where we live and where these bans are a problem, christianity is mostly to blame. Or do you think this country is majority hindu?

That's very short sighted. Even if America were 100% atheist, we still would be debating this issue. We are instinctively disgusted by homosexuality.
 
That's very short sighted. Even if America were 100% atheist, we still would be debating this issue. We are instinctively disgusted by homosexuality.

speak for yourself only when it comes to matters of prejudice/ignorance
 
Uh no, in the US however, which is where we live and where these bans are a problem, christianity is mostly to blame. Or do you think this country is majority hindu?

That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.
 
speak for yourself only when it comes to matters of prejudice/ignorance

He's right.

Man doesn't need God to decide what action's benefit Society and what harms a society. Or to know what actions challenge the natural order.

Plus the the push for recognized Gay marriage is a attack on people of faith far more than it is a struggle to gain equal rights. It's objective is to devalue traditional marriage and challenge moral imperatives that it equates with Christianity.

It's funny because these activist have no idea they're challenging something that can't be redefined. All the Leftist activist judges in the world aren't going to make the overwhelming majority of humanity or Americans change their minds on this issue.

And when the LGBT activist go out of their way to target and harm people that disagree it really doesn't help their cause.
 
That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.

Oh really they aren't activist, is that why they come to my ****ing door with pamphlets "join us to commemorate the savior's resurrection", sit down next to me while i'm eating privately to try and recruit, and rave like lunatics on the library steps and outside football stadiums about who's going to hell? For all the crying about gay pride parade which is like once a year at some cities and easily avoided if you aren't interested, christians are truly the most annoying activists ever. Yeah, even more than feminists.

As for it existing in my head, all the polls reflect that. Christians are and always have been (at least since it's been an issue) more likely to oppose SSM period.

If those diffs between men and women you cite are so obviously complimentary, why is the divorce rate like over 50%? Why is hetero marriage constantly referred to as a "chaining of two people" and i hear things like "gays deserve to marry and be as miserable as the rest of us"? Stop pretending that hetero marriage didn't have its chance and failed
 
He's right.

Man doesn't need God to decide what action's benefit Society and what harms a society. Or to know what actions challenge the natural order.

Plus the the push for recognized Gay marriage is a attack on people of faith far more than it is a struggle to gain equal rights. It's objective is to devalue traditional marriage and challenge moral imperatives that it equates with Christianity.

It's funny because these activist have no idea they're challenging something that can't be redefined. All the Leftist activist judges in the world aren't going to make the overwhelming majority of humanity or Americans change their minds on this issue.

And when the LGBT activist go out of their way to target and harm people that disagree it really doesn't help their cause.

Homosexuality is natural which is why most now support SSM; your problem only (not mine) that you can't see that. Just because it's less common than heterosexuality doesn't make it unnatural.

Excuse me while i don't cry a river for this "attack on people of faith" who have been oppressing gays since forever. Gay rights doesn't affect them one iota either in reality, that's all in your and their head. You just said their beliefs are irrelevant to opposition to gay rights too. Make up your mind

The overwhelming majority already did change their minds. 55% now support SSM. It's like 80% in scandinavia. You've already lost and can beg forgiveness anytime now.
 
That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.



I'm sorry, you have got to be attempting to re-write history. Religious push-back against Same-sex Civil Marriage was a HUGE factor in Prop 8 and in earlier vote to ban marriage equality. Active sermonizing in the pews, active organization and support, leading roles in strategy and crafting of advertizements, and coordination and extorting congregations for fund raising.


Catholics, Mormons allied to pass Prop. 8 - SFGate



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That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.
What planet are you from? Maybe you need to go back to your mothership and tell them they gave you the wrong handbook for Earth.
 
1.)I think its just Fantastic that those who advocate for the legalization of Gay Marriage immediately devolve into tossing out insults and
2.)making hypocritical accusations about " equal rights ".
3.) All I have to say is keep it up !
4.)Let the rest of America know what a bunch of Horses asses and hypocrites the LGBT supporters and activist are.
5.)Let the rest of America know that any push back forces you to immediately turn into a 4 year old who's really cranky for a nap.
6.)Its like you people didn't learn anything from the Phil Robertson incident.

1.) what insult, i made ZERO lol
2.) it is factually an equal rights issue
3.) I will because facts will continue to stand and your arguments will continue to fail.
4.) another failed deflection, nothing hypocritical about equal rights
5.) see #5
6.) Phil RObertson is meanignless to equal rights

let us know when you have any accurate and factual argument that supports you fails and fails claims
also I am religious LMAO and thats well documented here "MY" religion has ZERO to do with equal rights/gay marriage.

facts win again
 
I'd like to see some data to back up the claim that the people voted because of propoganda and not their own religious views.

Here you go.

Report: anti-gay TV ads swayed Prop. 8 voters - SFGate

William Bradley: How California's Prop 8 Anti-Gay Marriage Initiative Was Finally Defeated, Four Years Ago

The "Yes on Prop 8" ad campaign made a huge difference in the voting on Prop 8. Had those ads not aired, then Prop 8 would not have passed a vote. Those ads lied about the "potential consequences" of same sex marriage being legal within the state of California, and that is what pushed enough people to vote for Prop 8 who would have otherwise either not voted on it or voted against it.

http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/10/gay-marriage-ga.html

"The latest CBS 5 poll (conducted by SurveyUSA for a San Francisco TV station) finds that support for Proposition 8, the initiative that would embed a ban on gay marriage into the California constitution, leads by five percentage points. Eleven days ago--before a blast of ads for the proposition--it trailed by five points."
 
Sure there's a difference. Negative ads are shown all of the time. Most people are smart enough to ignore them as propoganda.

If these people were astute enough to go to the polls and case votes, they probably knew enough about the subject to cast votes based on what worked for them.

What? Do you seriously believe what I bolded? Nah....really?

As for believing the propaganda, I do not believe that everyone that is against SSM does so for religious reasons. Alot of people are just ignorant. They think they know a gay person 'when they see them' They believe that they dont have or want families, that they are perverts and pedophiles, cant reproduce naturally, and are all flamboyant. There is alot of ignorance out there and then religious organizations with names like 'Save the American Family' can prey on that ignorance....and that is how the propaganda does work. Sadly.
 
That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.


And 55% of Americans, religious and non, now believe marriage is also defined as between two people of the same gender.

See? Lots of different people view it, define it, in lots of different ways. And their own relationships reflect it....their marriages vary greatly as well...even to being 'open' or for money or for benefits. There are no 'criteria' for marriage except age (which also varies!), familial connections (also vary!), and possibly a few medical qualifications.

Society changes, traditions change, definitions change. Is society the same as it was 100 yrs ago? No? Then why would you expect its institutions to be the same? A rational person sees that institutions and laws adapt to society's needs.
 
What? Do you seriously believe what I bolded? Nah....really?

As for believing the propaganda, I do not believe that everyone that is against SSM does so for religious reasons. Alot of people are just ignorant. They think they know a gay person 'when they see them' They believe that they dont have or want families, that they are perverts and pedophiles, cant reproduce naturally, and are all flamboyant. There is alot of ignorance out there and then religious organizations with names like 'Save the American Family' can prey on that ignorance....and that is how the propaganda does work. Sadly.

Yes I do believe it, unless you think that 70% of the black community that voted for Obama in CA is collectively ignorant and can only make decisions because they are led to them by messages of hate?

I don't and won't ever think that people are collectively ignorant. What works for me doesn't always work for others.
 
LOL...I'm going on? FFS...you just brought back!

I kept telling the horse to drop it.....and I moved on.....but here you are, quoting me, talking about something you supposedly don't "give a rip about", notifying me and asking me about it.

FFS, how frigging dumb!

You never told me to drop it, as evidenced by your incessant posts on the matter.

You can't produce a single insult I lobbed at anyone in this thread, and you also can't produce a single post from me which would give credibility to your claim that I assumed you were gay as an insult to you.

I assumed you were gay, said as much, and you told me that was an insult. Your words. Own them, deal with them, and move on.
 
Yes I do believe it, unless you think that 70% of the black community that voted for Obama in CA is collectively ignorant and can only make decisions because they are led to them by messages of hate?

I don't and won't ever think that people are collectively ignorant. What works for me doesn't always work for others.

Everyone is a populist until it is their civil rights up for a vote by the majority. There is a reason the founding fathers wanted the government of this country to be a Constitutional Republic and not a straight up democracy. They knew just how easily swayed a majority could be by lies, misinformation, and propaganda.
 
Yes I do believe it, unless you think that 70% of the black community that voted for Obama in CA is collectively ignorant and can only make decisions because they are led to them by messages of hate?

I don't and won't ever think that people are collectively ignorant. What works for me doesn't always work for others.


I don't know if 70% of the black community voted for Obama, but a precinct level examination showed African American's comprised 7% of the vote in California and vote 59% in favor of Prop 8.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/pi_prop8_1_6_09.pdf


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Oh really they aren't activist, is that why they come to my ****ing door with pamphlets "join us to commemorate the savior's resurrection", sit down next to me while i'm eating privately to try and recruit, and rave like lunatics on the library steps and outside football stadiums about who's going to hell? For all the crying about gay pride parade which is like once a year at some cities and easily avoided if you aren't interested, christians are truly the most annoying activists ever. Yeah, even more than feminists.

As for it existing in my head, all the polls reflect that. Christians are and always have been (at least since it's been an issue) more likely to oppose SSM period.

If those diffs between men and women you cite are so obviously complimentary, why is the divorce rate like over 50%? Why is hetero marriage constantly referred to as a "chaining of two people" and i hear things like "gays deserve to marry and be as miserable as the rest of us"? Stop pretending that hetero marriage didn't have its chance and failed

Yea right .

" Christians come to your door " huh ?

Yea right.

How about you just do what everyone else does when this happens ?

Dont answer your door.

But lets say Christians really did come to your door and talk to you about the Gospels. ( Which they havn't)

Do they go to great lengths to expose your identity publicly when you disagreed ?

Did they purposely try to do you harm when you wouldn't bend to their agenda ?
Cause you to lose your job ?

Publicly try to humiliate you ?

Because thats what the LGBT activist did and would do in a micro second if you disagree with their agenda.

So spare me your manufactured outrage over Christianity's "activist".
 
I don't know if 70% of the black community voted for Obama, but a precinct level examination showed African American's comprised 7% of the vote in California and vote 59% in favor of Prop 8.

http://www.thetaskforce.org/downloads/reports/reports/pi_prop8_1_6_09.pdf


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70% of the black community that voted for Obama. Right from my post:

70% of the black community that voted for Obama in CA

Did they also vote for Obama because of messages of fear that the Democrats put out there?
 
You never told me to drop it, as evidenced by your incessant posts on the matter.
It is time to end the personal crap and get back to the op.....check yourself.
You can give it a rest now, the damage is done and you are jut going to get in trouble if you continue on withe the person crap.
You keep leaving out the fact that I said you attempted to insult me with an old sophomoric, High School ploy to try and get a rise.....it failed, backfired......and you are in damage control and you can't let it go.

Just stop, you have done enough damage.....let it go.

You can't produce a single insult I lobbed at anyone in this thread, and you also can't produce a single post from me which would give credibility to your claim that I assumed you were gay as an insult to you.
As I keep telling you, and it just cannot get through to you, you attempted to insult by using the accusation of homosexuality when you used it as an attempt to get a rise. You still have not gotten a rise out of me, because it doesn't work.....and you would think that by now you would have gotten the message, but you just keep on trying to repair the damage by bringing up your error over and over again.

Drop it....for gawds sake.

I assumed you were gay, said as much, and you told me that was an insult. Your words. Own them, deal with them, and move on.
I have no idea who you think you are fooling, but it isn't me.

Take you own advice, give it a rest already.
 
As I keep telling you, and it just cannot get through to you, you attempted to insult by using the accusation of homosexuality when you used it as an attempt to get a rise. You still have not gotten a rise out of me, because it doesn't work.....and you would think that by now you would have gotten the message, but you just keep on trying to repair the damage by bringing up your error over and over again.

Drop it....for gawds sake.

I have no idea who you think you are fooling, but it isn't me.

Take you own advice, give it a rest already.

No, I won't drop it. You made a claim I was trying to insult you, and that I've been insulting you & others in this thread, and when I pressed you to back it up, you can't.

Find a single post from me on this board - ever - where I made a disparaging comment about gay people. You would have to find one to back up your claim that I think calling someone "gay" would be an insult. Just one. I'll wait. If you can't, you have no choice but to admit you were wrong. Which you were.

Unless again you think it's an insult to be called "gay"?
 
No, I won't drop it.
FFS, this is so pathetic, you claimed I never told you to drop it, yet it is VERY obvious I did multiple times.......and now you say YOU won't drop it. Gawd, the only times people carry on like you do is when they just refuse to accept that they are not fooling anyone. Drop it, for gawds sake.
You made a claim I was trying to insult you, and that I've been insulting you & others in this thread, and when I pressed you to back it up, you can't.
Again, your use of the accusation of homosexuality isn't new or unique, it is done by folks like you that cannot help but contradict themselves and think they are fooling someone. No one believes you.....or haven't you noticed?

Find a single post from me on this board - ever - where I made a disparaging comment about gay people. You would have to find one to back up your claim that I think calling someone "gay" would be an insult. Just one. I'll wait. If you can't, you have no choice but to admit you were wrong. Which you were.
Again, you are not fooling me, what you did is nothing new. You failed.

Unless again you think it's an insult to be called "gay"?
It is all about how it is used, and you used it as an insult.

Drop it, you failed.
 
Yes I do believe it, unless you think that 70% of the black community that voted for Obama in CA is collectively ignorant and can only make decisions because they are led to them by messages of hate?

I don't and won't ever think that people are collectively ignorant. What works for me doesn't always work for others.

People are not collectively ignorant but this person uses the comparative example of 70% of blacks voting for Obama...How odd.

Blacks are not even germain to the SSM discussion. Why would 70% voting for obama even be on anyone's mind. Very telling.
 
People are not collectively ignorant but this person uses the comparative example of 70% of blacks voting for Obama...How odd.

Blacks are not even germain to the SSM discussion. Why would 70% voting for obama even be on anyone's mind. Very telling.

This person? Do you mean me?

Blacks voting for Obama and against SSM at the same time based on the assumption that they are ignorant and/or easily led by propoganda, which is what other posters have claimed, is part of the discussion.
 
FFS, this is so pathetic, you claimed I never told you to drop it, yet it is VERY obvious I did multiple times.......and now you say YOU won't drop it. Gawd, the only times people carry on like you do is when they just refuse to accept that they are not fooling anyone. Drop it, for gawds sake.Again, your use of the accusation of homosexuality isn't new or unique, it is done by folks like you that cannot help but contradict themselves and think they are fooling someone. No one believes you.....or haven't you noticed?

Again, you are not fooling me, what you did is nothing new. You failed.

It is all about how it is used, and you used it as an insult.

Drop it, you failed.

Since the last word is so important to you because you know you were busted on believing it's an insult to be called "gay", I'll let you have it. My point was made. You think it's an insult. Your posts are right here for anyone to see.

No evidence that I insulted anyone. No evidence that I am offended by gay people. No evidence that my assumption that you are gay would be an insult.

I didn't fail...sorry. You did. Deal with it, son.

Go on ranting because it's meaningful to you. Have a great weekend!
 
Yes I do believe it, unless you think that 70% of the black community that voted for Obama in CA is collectively ignorant and can only make decisions because they are led to them by messages of hate?

I don't and won't ever think that people are collectively ignorant. What works for me doesn't always work for others.

Why wouldnt I think that 70% of black people were smart enough to see he was the best candidate?

I do think the majority of Americans are lazy and ignorant tho, esp. when it comes to politics. I'd say on a scale of 1 to 10, I'm only a 7-8 on that scale myself (with 10 being the most informed). It depends on the type of issue, social, economic, public policy, environmental, equal rights, etc.

Here on the forums it certainly seems people are more than happy to vote their own best interests rather than for the greater good of their community or country. I have many times voted against my own personal choices because I could see what was better overall OR what was Constitutional.

The objections to the SSM issue is one where clearly people choose to put their own selfish beliefs above the Constitution.
 
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