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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    Uh no, in the US however, which is where we live and where these bans are a problem, christianity is mostly to blame. Or do you think this country is majority hindu?
    That's very short sighted. Even if America were 100% atheist, we still would be debating this issue. We are instinctively disgusted by homosexuality.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by hammer2 View Post
    That's very short sighted. Even if America were 100% atheist, we still would be debating this issue. We are instinctively disgusted by homosexuality.
    speak for yourself only when it comes to matters of prejudice/ignorance

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    Uh no, in the US however, which is where we live and where these bans are a problem, christianity is mostly to blame. Or do you think this country is majority hindu?
    That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

    They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

    Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

    You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

    Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

    The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    speak for yourself only when it comes to matters of prejudice/ignorance
    He's right.

    Man doesn't need God to decide what action's benefit Society and what harms a society. Or to know what actions challenge the natural order.

    Plus the the push for recognized Gay marriage is a attack on people of faith far more than it is a struggle to gain equal rights. It's objective is to devalue traditional marriage and challenge moral imperatives that it equates with Christianity.

    It's funny because these activist have no idea they're challenging something that can't be redefined. All the Leftist activist judges in the world aren't going to make the overwhelming majority of humanity or Americans change their minds on this issue.

    And when the LGBT activist go out of their way to target and harm people that disagree it really doesn't help their cause.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

    They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

    Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

    You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

    Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

    The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.
    Oh really they aren't activist, is that why they come to my ****ing door with pamphlets "join us to commemorate the savior's resurrection", sit down next to me while i'm eating privately to try and recruit, and rave like lunatics on the library steps and outside football stadiums about who's going to hell? For all the crying about gay pride parade which is like once a year at some cities and easily avoided if you aren't interested, christians are truly the most annoying activists ever. Yeah, even more than feminists.

    As for it existing in my head, all the polls reflect that. Christians are and always have been (at least since it's been an issue) more likely to oppose SSM period.

    If those diffs between men and women you cite are so obviously complimentary, why is the divorce rate like over 50%? Why is hetero marriage constantly referred to as a "chaining of two people" and i hear things like "gays deserve to marry and be as miserable as the rest of us"? Stop pretending that hetero marriage didn't have its chance and failed

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    He's right.

    Man doesn't need God to decide what action's benefit Society and what harms a society. Or to know what actions challenge the natural order.

    Plus the the push for recognized Gay marriage is a attack on people of faith far more than it is a struggle to gain equal rights. It's objective is to devalue traditional marriage and challenge moral imperatives that it equates with Christianity.

    It's funny because these activist have no idea they're challenging something that can't be redefined. All the Leftist activist judges in the world aren't going to make the overwhelming majority of humanity or Americans change their minds on this issue.

    And when the LGBT activist go out of their way to target and harm people that disagree it really doesn't help their cause.
    Homosexuality is natural which is why most now support SSM; your problem only (not mine) that you can't see that. Just because it's less common than heterosexuality doesn't make it unnatural.

    Excuse me while i don't cry a river for this "attack on people of faith" who have been oppressing gays since forever. Gay rights doesn't affect them one iota either in reality, that's all in your and their head. You just said their beliefs are irrelevant to opposition to gay rights too. Make up your mind

    The overwhelming majority already did change their minds. 55% now support SSM. It's like 80% in scandinavia. You've already lost and can beg forgiveness anytime now.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

    They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

    Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

    You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

    Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

    The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.


    I'm sorry, you have got to be attempting to re-write history. Religious push-back against Same-sex Civil Marriage was a HUGE factor in Prop 8 and in earlier vote to ban marriage equality. Active sermonizing in the pews, active organization and support, leading roles in strategy and crafting of advertizements, and coordination and extorting congregations for fund raising.


    Catholics, Mormons allied to pass Prop. 8 - SFGate



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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    That's a fallacy perpetuated by a small group of very hypocritical LGBT activist.

    They and you apparently, are ignoring the obvious physiological and psychological differences between men and women and why those differences compliment each other to define a "Marriage"

    Christians, like other religions believe in a distinct definition of marriage not just because it challenges their Faith but also because it challenges Natural law.

    You might be shocked to learn how many NON-Christians believe in Marriage as defined by a Man and a Women.

    Besides, Christians aren't the Activist types people like you make them out to be. For the most part they will tell you all about the Gospels and then let you decide for yourself whether or not you want to accept God's grace.

    The Religious push back towards Gay Marriage only exist in your head.
    What planet are you from? Maybe you need to go back to your mothership and tell them they gave you the wrong handbook for Earth.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    1.)I think its just Fantastic that those who advocate for the legalization of Gay Marriage immediately devolve into tossing out insults and
    2.)making hypocritical accusations about " equal rights ".
    3.) All I have to say is keep it up !
    4.)Let the rest of America know what a bunch of Horses asses and hypocrites the LGBT supporters and activist are.
    5.)Let the rest of America know that any push back forces you to immediately turn into a 4 year old who's really cranky for a nap.
    6.)Its like you people didn't learn anything from the Phil Robertson incident.
    1.) what insult, i made ZERO lol
    2.) it is factually an equal rights issue
    3.) I will because facts will continue to stand and your arguments will continue to fail.
    4.) another failed deflection, nothing hypocritical about equal rights
    5.) see #5
    6.) Phil RObertson is meanignless to equal rights

    let us know when you have any accurate and factual argument that supports you fails and fails claims
    also I am religious LMAO and thats well documented here "MY" religion has ZERO to do with equal rights/gay marriage.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'd like to see some data to back up the claim that the people voted because of propoganda and not their own religious views.
    Here you go.

    Report: anti-gay TV ads swayed Prop. 8 voters - SFGate

    William Bradley: How California's Prop 8 Anti-Gay Marriage Initiative Was Finally Defeated, Four Years Ago

    The "Yes on Prop 8" ad campaign made a huge difference in the voting on Prop 8. Had those ads not aired, then Prop 8 would not have passed a vote. Those ads lied about the "potential consequences" of same sex marriage being legal within the state of California, and that is what pushed enough people to vote for Prop 8 who would have otherwise either not voted on it or voted against it.

    http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla...rriage-ga.html

    "The latest CBS 5 poll (conducted by SurveyUSA for a San Francisco TV station) finds that support for Proposition 8, the initiative that would embed a ban on gay marriage into the California constitution, leads by five percentage points. Eleven days ago--before a blast of ads for the proposition--it trailed by five points."
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