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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wow. You just insulted a whole lot of gay people by telling them that acknowledging their lifestyle is now an insult.

    Grab that beer quick. You need it.
    Calling someone a homosexual without knowing anything about their sexuality, and you know nothing about me in that regard, is always done to insult, and is not an acknowledging of anything....since again, you know nothing about me in this regard, nor have I expressed it.

    It is just juvenile delinquent, sophomoric attempts to get a rise....and it fails.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ah.

    Missed that.

    Maybe he's NOT against it then. Wonder if he'll get re-elected?
    Oh he is against still as far as i know, he's made no statement otherwise

    I hardley doubt he gets reelected unless somethign horrible comes out about his opponents
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Oh he is against still as far as i know, he's made no statement otherwise

    I hardley doubt he gets reelected unless somethign horrible comes out about his opponents
    He's against it but not contesting the ruling...trying to have it both ways? Not piss off the pro-SSM types by contesting, but can still say he opposes it to those who are against it?

    Then again, I think most people in PA just don't give a damn about stopping it...what's the point? If you're opposed to SSM, you very probably aren't homosexual, so...how does it effect you?

    It might just be that I don't know anyone overtly opposed...
    Personally, I think most people who dislike the idea of SSM tend to think "meh, it's their business".

    If he's trying to appeal to those persons, it might be a good move.



    Edit: On another note, I just realized you live in Pittsburgh...shows how observant I am...coincidentally I have a RL friend who lives there.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's what I posted.

    if they are proven to be unconstitutional, they end up getting overturned.
    I know. I agreed with your earlier statement, and was agreeing that the alternative was silly.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Too bad in the eyes of the law this is irrelevant because "separation of church and state" and all

    Amazing you can't get this simple concept. Move to saudi arabia if you want to live in theocracy

    You DO realize that there is no reference to keeping the Church and State seperate in our Constitution, right ?

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You DO realize that there is no reference to keeping the Church and State seperate in our Constitution, right ?
    Of course. But you guys always claim intention of the founding fathers is important, right?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Of course. But you guys always claim intention of the founding fathers is important, right?
    What our founding fathers wanted is explicitly contained in our Constitution.

    You guys need to stop confusing the establishment clause with this whole seperation of church and state rhetoric.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    What our founding fathers wanted is explicitly contained in our Constitution.

    You guys need to stop confusing the establishment clause with this whole separation of church and state rhetoric.
    I always thought of the establishment clause as keeping state out of churches business.

    It has been expanded over time to mean "there is state, there is church, and never the twain shall meet"...or something...



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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    What our founding fathers wanted is explicitly contained in our Constitution.

    You guys need to stop confusing the establishment clause with this whole seperation of church and state rhetoric.
    What you mean by "you guys" is Thomas Jefferson, right? Because he's the guy who actually used the phrase.

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    Echoing the language of the founder of the first Baptist church in America, Roger Williams—who had written in 1644 of "[A] hedge or wall of separation between the garden of the church and the wilderness of the world"—Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."[1]
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    1.)He's against it but not contesting the ruling...trying to have it both ways? Not piss off the pro-SSM types by contesting, but can still say he opposes it to those who are against it?
    2.)Then again, I think most people in PA just don't give a damn about stopping it...what's the point?
    3.) If you're opposed to SSM, you very probably aren't homosexual, so...how does it effect you?
    4.)It might just be that I don't know anyone overtly opposed...
    5.)Personally, I think most people who dislike the idea of SSM tend to think "meh, it's their business".
    6.)If he's trying to appeal to those persons, it might be a good move.
    7.)Edit: On another note, I just realized you live in Pittsburgh...shows how observant I am...coincidentally I have a RL friend who lives there.
    1.) i dont think that is having it both ways at all. I know lots of people that are against it but they would never be ignorant, hypocritical and selfish enough to deny others rights. In that regard he is doing the right thing.
    Now I dont know him so this might be somethign disingenuous but its still the right move on the surface.
    Theres lots im probably against but i wouldnt deny them to others.
    2.) I know some but not many, they are certainly the minority and that includes the large amount of Church/religious people that talk of these issues. But as the old joke goes you have Pittsburgh(west pa) and Philly (East Pa) then you have west Virginia in the middle, so "stereo typically" I dont know.

    Im just a little south of Pittsburgh and thats how it is as far as I can tell around here

    3.) agreed that question has been asked many times by me and others and theres never been a sound answer given
    4.) probably, many people are educated and honest enough to respect rights first rather then blind emotion or feelings
    5.) thats what i have encountered and its the logical way to be on this issue
    6.) Maybe but I think he is out eitherway

    7.) Sure do been here the majority of my life go family spread out though. RL?
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