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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    We used to have laws on the books that allowed slavery, prohibited women from voting, and prohibited grown ups from drinking alcohol too. We had a lot of crazy laws on the books at one time. I take an optimistic look at life and assume we're past those kinds of laws, and when they do come up, and get voted on, if they are proven to be unconstitutional, they end up getting overturned.

    These days it's a lot harder to get things on ballots unless they are deemed by some people to be Constitutional. Even Consitutional scholars disagree on what's Constitutional and what isn't.

    The only way to prevent it is to remove people's rights to vote, and I won't ever support that idea.
    Or you can just have a judge overturn their unconstitutional ballot measures. Which is what is being done but people keep whining about it!
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Be interesting to see where this ends up.

    If I recall correctly our governor is against it.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Or you can just have a judge overturn their unconstitutional ballot measures. Which is what is being done but people keep whining about it!
    That's what I posted.

    if they are proven to be unconstitutional, they end up getting overturned.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Be interesting to see where this ends up.

    If I recall correctly our governor is against it.
    He already announced he won't appeal it.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He already announced he won't appeal it.
    Ah.

    Missed that.

    Maybe he's NOT against it then. Wonder if he'll get re-elected?
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Ah.

    Missed that.

    Maybe he's NOT against it then. Wonder if he'll get re-elected?
    He seems pretty popular but I don't live in your state.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    He seems pretty popular but I don't live in your state.
    Seems like he's done an OK job.

    One of the fairly prominent issues heard on the local radio news/talk station for the past 5 years or so in the area I live has been the state of Harrisburg's finances. That seems to be clearing up over the past year, though I'm unsure whether it's in any way due to something the Governor did...

    It should be noted that the station in question is located in the city.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    This is the opinion I was speaking of. Supporting SSM and what you think about civil marriage does not go hand in hand.
    Um....if you support the concept and practice of civil marriage, you do not denigrate the civil law it represents by calling the license issued "a piece of paper". It makes no sense to supposedly support SSM while putting down the law and structure that makes it possible.

    It is not "opinion", it is a matter of logic. What comes out of the horses mouth is contradictory....ie it is not believable.

    A lot of Libertarians support the right of people to love who they want and marry them but would prefer their be no civil marriage in the first place. The two ideas are NOT mutually exclusive.
    "Rights" are a matter of civil law, marriage is a civil contract, it is completely exclusive to argue there should not be civil marriage in the first place, and the con we are discussing has not expressed the idea that she rejects civil marriage....in the first place.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    This is the result of people who are lazy and do not take the effort, time and energy to make their case to the public to earn their vote instead judge shop till they find a political appointed one of the same stripes to shove it through for them.
    This assumes that everyone thinks rationally and reasonably when presented with information. They don't. Especially when it comes to information that contradicts beliefs they already hold.

    Individuals are smart (or can be), people are stupid, especially in large numbers.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Seems like he's done an OK job.

    One of the fairly prominent issues heard on the local radio news/talk station for the past 5 years or so in the area I live has been the state of Harrisburg's finances. That seems to be clearing up over the past year, though I'm unsure whether it's in any way due to something the Governor did...

    It should be noted that the station in question is located in the city.
    I hear pretty decent things about him. I suspect some people in the state will be pissed that he sacrificed what he says are his own personal views on SSM but I also suspect he's smart enough to realize that it can be appealed from now until doomsday but it won't get overturned anyway.

    The bitter clingers in your state will continue to support him in the end.

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