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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Granted, for example i think Scalia is a scumbag. However, odds of someone who made it thru law school being completely clueless and fully injecting personal prejudice into their decisions is much lower than relying on the uneducated masses with these ballots. At least i think so. Pretty much most voters seem aware of "free speech, religion, right to bear arms" and that's about it.
    I suggest you re-think that statement. This is the same Supreme Court which ruled that corporations are people. If there's one thing that the "uneducated masses" know, it's that corporations are not people.

    And in the case of "fully injecting" personal prejudice, what do you think judges like Scalia and Thomas are on the Supreme Court for? That's exactly why they've been appointed.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Okay, yes he did. I'm not sure what he was arguing. I know that every citizen has the right to vote. I don't believe there is a caveat to that right that says "if we think you're worthy of this privilege". I would never advocate the idea of limiing a citizen's right to vote because I don't like that person. Would you?
    No, minors and many convicts even after their sentence ends are not allowed to vote. So i suppose you support allowing 10 year olds and murderers to vote. Sorry that i view many adults as having the mentality and capability of many 10 year olds, but that's the reality.

    It's hardly because i "don't like that person" either. Voting to abolish a person's constitutional rights in some kind of high school style 50/50 popularity contest is cause for suing/disenfranchising that voter imo. Not that they should be able to in the first place, if our government actually did its job of upholding the constitution.

    And yes i know you will say that people disagree on interpreting the constitution, so be it, but Loving v Virginia made this clear enough decades ago. This never should've happened.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by law View Post
    I suggest you re-think that statement. This is the same Supreme Court which ruled that corporations are people. If there's one thing that the "uneducated masses" know, it's that corporations are not people.

    And in the case of "fully injecting" personal prejudice, what do you think judges like Scalia and Thomas are on the Supreme Court for? That's exactly why they've been appointed.
    Why do you think i mentioned scalia? I said "odds of" not that it *never* happens. 13 fed judges in a row striking down the bigotry of the masses, including the south? And even with scalia the SCOTUS will do the same soon.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, I am quoting and paraphrasing her comments....that is a fact...not opinion. Reducing civil contracts and the concepts behind them to "pieces of paper" is not a path to supporting SSM.
    This is the opinion I was speaking of. Supporting SSM and what you think about civil marriage does not go hand in hand. A lot of Libertarians support the right of people to love who they want and marry them but would prefer their be no civil marriage in the first place. The two ideas are NOT mutually exclusive.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    No, minors and many convicts even after their sentence ends are not allowed to vote. So i suppose you support allowing 10 year olds and murderers to vote. Sorry that i view many adults as having the mentality and capability of many 10 year olds, but that's the reality.

    It's hardly because i "don't like that person" either. Voting to abolish a person's constitutional rights in some kind of high school style 50/50 popularity contest is cause for suing/disenfranchising that voter imo. Not that they should be able to in the first place, if our government actually did its job of upholding the constitution.

    And yes i know you will say that people disagree on interpreting the constitution, so be it, but Loving v Virginia made this clear enough decades ago. This never should've happened.
    Why on Earth would you think I want 10 year olds and convicts to vote?

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by law View Post
    I suggest you re-think that statement. This is the same Supreme Court which ruled that corporations are people. If there's one thing that the "uneducated masses" know, it's that corporations are not people.

    And in the case of "fully injecting" personal prejudice, what do you think judges like Scalia and Thomas are on the Supreme Court for? That's exactly why they've been appointed.
    You could make the argument that Obama nominated Sotomayor & Kagan for the same reasons.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    This redefining of a social construct that transcends millennium old cultural and religious standards will not end well.
    It deeply satisfies me to know that this kind of belief is literally dying out.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why on Earth would you think I want 10 year olds and convicts to vote?
    Because you said "I know that every citizen has the right to vote. I don't believe there is a caveat to that right that says "if we think you're worthy of this privilege". I would never advocate the idea of limiing a citizen's right to vote because I don't like that person"

    What other possible reason do you have for banning ex cons from voting? I certainly don't see that as more valid or defensible than banning general morons/bigots/uneducated etc

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    That's odd.

    I apparently need to check the news more often - I only heard about this yesterday (05/22/2014).
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Because you said "I know that every citizen has the right to vote. I don't believe there is a caveat to that right that says "if we think you're worthy of this privilege". I would never advocate the idea of limiing a citizen's right to vote because I don't like that person"

    What other possible reason do you have for banning ex cons from voting? I certainly don't see that as more valid or defensible than banning general morons/bigots/uneducated etc
    Do you think I don't know that 10 year olds don't have the right to vote?

    Citizens who break the law and find themselves incarcerated have lost most of their liberties, the right to vote being one of them.

    I really didn't think we needed to make these obvious distinctions.

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