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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How do you vote to ban prayer?
    How do you vote to ban marriage?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    Or maybe they were simply expressing their rights to have religious beliefs that are protected by the Constitution and differ from any beliefs you & I have.

    They weren't voting to to express their religious beliefs, the voted to deny other equal treatment under the law. The need to have a public vote to determine what your own individual beliefs are it - well - kind of illogical. The vote wasn't about beliefs it was about actions, the action of passing a law to deny citizens access to the rights, responsibilities, and benefits of Civil Marriage.



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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage


    That was a snap poll on election night (November 4th) to make the newspapers the next morning (November 5th) of a fairly small percentage of the voters, later analysis of precinct level voting patterns state wide later showed that Africian-Americans comprised 7% of the voters that cast ballots and 59% voted in favor of Prop 8.

    The highest two indicators of voting in favor of denying same-sex couples equal treatment under Civil Marriage laws was age (65+, 23% of the vote, voting 69% in favor) and weekly religious attendance (45% of the voter, voting 70% in favor).


    Age and religious observance were much bigger factors than the color of the voters skin.


    http://www.thetaskforce.org/download...op8_1_6_09.pdf


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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    They weren't voting to to express their religious beliefs, they voted to deny other equal treatment under the law.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    Is that an argument for them having the right to vote?
    I don't think having a right to vote was being argued. At least I'm not arguing about people's right to vote.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I don't think having a right to vote was being argued. At least I'm not arguing about people's right to vote.
    Some people are arguing that you have the right to vote against the constitution and override it!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    Actually gun bans have been tried many times, and prayer banned at a school or attempts to use a loudspeaker at high school football field to pray, or a "ten commandments" granite block at the state government building. The conservatives always launch into hysteria at these rulings despite some of them are constitutionally correct.

    Just pick anything, realistic or not, that clownboy wouldn't approve of and imagine it's put into law by oregon voters and there you have it, "tyranny of the majority"

    That's why it's impossible to take these pleas for "more democracy/less activist judges" seriously. BTW, how many judges have to make this ruling for that complaint to die off? Is 13 in a row enough? Maybe next year, when the SCOTUS makes the same ruling? I'll take educated judges over the mob any day, especially when it comes to actually upholding the constitution!
    Absolutely true, but that's a long way from your post #675:

    How do you vote to ban prayer?
    "Amendment 2: This amendment establishes a lifetime prison sentence for any form of prayer within state territory"

    Pretty simple i guess


    Banning prayer in a state can't possibly happen, so it's irrelevant. By the way, "conservatives always launch into hysteria at these rulings" is a very broad statement.

    All judges IMO are "activist" in a way because they're all human and all see things differently. They can't even agree on the interpretation of the Constitution. There will always be rulings we as individuals agree with, and then those we don't agree with.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    They weren't voting to to express their religious beliefs, the voted to deny other equal treatment under the law. The need to have a public vote to determine what your own individual beliefs are it - well - kind of illogical. The vote wasn't about beliefs it was about actions, the action of passing a law to deny citizens access to the rights, responsibilities, and benefits of Civil Marriage.



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    In their minds, that's exactly what they were doing.

    The ones in CA who voted for Prop 8 were mostly religious people, based on the exit polls. Apparently it was their religion that caused them to vote as they did. I would need to see some evidence that their votes were based on an intent to ignore individual liberties.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Absolutely true, but that's a long way from your post #675:

    How do you vote to ban prayer?
    "Amendment 2: This amendment establishes a lifetime prison sentence for any form of prayer within state territory"

    Pretty simple i guess


    Banning prayer in a state can't possibly happen, so it's irrelevant. By the way, "conservatives always launch into hysteria at these rulings" is a very broad statement.

    All judges IMO are "activist" in a way because they're all human and all see things differently. They can't even agree on the interpretation of the Constitution. There will always be rulings we as individuals agree with, and then those we don't agree with.
    Cries of "activist judge" just means "judge who made a decision I don't like." It's a convenient method to dismiss the judge's decision without actually providing any rebuttal.

    In the end, it all comes down to the test of heightened scrutiny and same-sex marriage bans are never going to pass that test.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How do you vote to ban marriage?
    I've never voted to ban marriage but it seems pretty obvious that the end result of a ban on gay marriage means that they can't get a marriage license and have their unions recognized as a marriage.

    You can't ban prayer because you don't need the government's approval to pray in your shower.

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