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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Thanks for the link. I'll have a look at it. I'm always interested in learning about what people think about red hot issues.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    lol you know what i mean clarification
    I knew that but for the second time a post of yours made me laugh out loud. I think you have a funny spell checker or something.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm under no illision as to the fallibility of judges. I fully believe that Obamacare mandate is unconstitutional and state it often. But I think we're getting mixed up in what we are talking about here. 1 judge I have no problem contesting. A panel of 9 judges I have no problem contesting. But I do start to think that maybe my reasoning may be off when 30+ judges that are not related or associated with each other in any way shape or form other than their rulings and them being a judge says that I'm wrong. I apply the same reasoning to many subjects. For instance climate change. I doubt that climate change is due to the result of mankind for various reasons which I won't get into here as this thread is not about that. But I rarely participate in that section on these forums because there are so many scientists saying that I'm wrong. I still believe that I'm right, but there is still a chance that I'm wrong also. Because I am human and fallible also. As such I pretty much keep my mouth closed except on rare occasions.
    I never engage in the Climate Change discussions either, mostly because they don't interest me.

    Don't get me wrong - I think the decisions of these judges are fine too, but it's because of my own personal Libertarian-type attitudes about people being able to do whatever they want. The Constitution gives us individual liberties first and foremost, so individual liberties to do whatever you want are primary to me. Marriage liberties aren't the issue IMO - it's individual liberty that makes it all a moot point.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    All four votes went to the marriage equality side in 2012.
    I'm talking about the voting public, not the courts.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You are the one misunderstanding. I'm not insulting their right. I'm not suggesting it's bad that they express their opinion. I'm suggesting their opinion is bad. Quit trying to play the victim card about someone else's right that isn't being attacked. They get to talk all day long about how much they hate gay people. I encourage them to express their opinions, in fact, because every GOP candidate who goes rabidly anti-equality is just another potential target in the next election. The social ultraconservatives keep snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for the Republicans.

    How come you haven't said one word about those types insulting people like me? Or homosexuals? How come you haven't cried about them attacking my rights? How come you are attacking my rights right now?
    Attacking your rights? Okay, now I understand your passion for the topic. I didn't know you were gay. So you have a vested interest in the topic, which explains your passion. Passion is a good thing when it's channeled in a positive direction.

    I may have missed the posts by WCH and Vesper where they say all day long that they "hate gay people". Where are they? I've really only seen them articulate why their views differ from yours.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you think this was because of the gays? Do you think the gays will make America crash and burn?
    Lust, greed and gluttony etc. definitely brought Rome down and Yes I do thinks acceptance of sin in this country will be it's demise.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Then why are you ignoring the rest of it?
    Who is ignoring the rest of his ruling? No one. You missed the point completely. It is the fact that a judge is basing any part of his ruling on "feelings" rather than strictly focused on law, is questionable at the very least.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Thanks for the link. I'll have a look at it. I'm always interested in learning about what people think about red hot issues.
    I posted it on the forum if you'd like to respond.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I'm talking about the voting public, not the courts.
    Uhh, yeah dude. So was I. There were four ballot measures on the subject in 2012. Your side lost all four. Three states voted to legalize same sex marriage, and Minnesota rejected a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage. (Same sex marriage legalized legislatively later)

    Another state has abandoned its 2014 ballot measure to ban same sex marriage. Indiana? I forget which.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Lust, greed and gluttony etc. definitely brought Rome down and Yes I do thinks acceptance of sin in this country will be it's demise.
    And on what historical facts or documents do you base the idea that lust brought down Rome?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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