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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Do you honestly believe you're more developed than a "caveman" (this isn't a joke either)....

    Knowledge and attributes?

    Do you believe you developed the ****ing internet by yourself?

    This is why people who think they're smart watch Survivor.
    Are you trying to claim that we aren't more advanced, more knowledgeable than a caveman?

    I have no idea what the hell Survivor has to do with this discussion.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Well, too bad. I'm in favor of SSM,but you see boogeymen with every post. I respected your post until the lie about me at the end. Damn. Oh well.

    This is the kind of nonsense that makes me wonder just how open people will be to respect opposing views. It's obnoxious to attack for no reason.
    I am tired of the same bullcrap. It all comes down to people oppose same sex marriage because it is not what they were taught to view marriage as. They come out with all these half baked rationalizations of "marriage is about procreation" or "marriage has always been between a man and a woman" but even under the lowest possible scrutiny of the facts those rationalizations are clearly incorrect and wrong. What they are really saying is they cannot see a purpose for marriage if it includes same sex couples. It is their problem. They have the issue. They are too narrow minded to see beyond their preconceptions and prejudices.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It's obnoxious to attack for no reason.
    Au contraire, it is obnoxious to say you support a thing but oppose the supporting arguments for the thing.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    more laws arent needed rights are already being protected
    Tell that to the nurse who lost her job because of her moral conscience could not allow her to assist in an abortion.
    Tell that to the doctor that was hauled into court because he refused to artificially inseminate a single woman because his moral conscience believes his services were to assist married couples wanting children.
    Tell that to those who work in social welfare with a code based on religious morals who end up having to close their doors because they can no longer operate on what the "state rules" says they must. And all those organizations out there who are so willing to help the needy that no longer qualify for government assistance because their moral conscience will not allow them to compromise to the government mandates they must comply to receive funding.
    Tell that to the baker who had to close up his shop because he was found violating accommodation laws and if he didn't comply faces fines and jail time even though his state constitution promised him the right to practice his moral conscience.

    What you want people to do is unconscionable. You want them to forget who they are and what they believe in order to work in the public square. What you are willing to deny a person, his identity, in the name of anti-discrimination is appalling and the worst discrimination of all. After all, if a person can't freely be who they are in the public square, they have lost their freedom.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you trying to claim that we aren't more advanced, more knowledgeable than a caveman?

    I have no idea what the hell Survivor has to do with this discussion.
    I'm trying to assert that present day humans are no different than cavemen...

    I'm saying you're not the light bulb that lit the world.

    I'm saying I highly doubt your knowledge of anthropology overrides mine..

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Ummmm - did you miss the part were I said instead of adding more laws and granting "special rights", that they should be repealed?



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    No I didn't miss that part at all.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Tell that to the nurse who lost her job because of her moral conscience could not allow her to assist in an abortion.
    Tell that to the doctor that was hauled into court because he refused to artificially inseminate a single woman because his moral conscience believes his services were to assist married couples wanting children.
    Tell that to those who work in social welfare with a code based on religious morals who end up having to close their doors because they can no longer operate on what the "state rules" says they must. And all those organizations out there who are so willing to help the needy that no longer qualify for government assistance because their moral conscience will not allow them to compromise to the government mandates they must comply to receive funding.
    Tell that to the baker who had to close up his shop because he was found violating accommodation laws and if he didn't comply faces fines and jail time even though his state constitution promised him the right to practice his moral conscience.

    What you want people to do is unconscionable. You want them to forget who they are and what they believe in order to work in the public square. What you are willing to deny a person, his identity, in the name of anti-discrimination is appalling and the worst discrimination of all. After all, if a person can't freely be who they are in the public square, they have lost their freedom.
    Can you actually post real examples of all of these hypothetical situations? It is hard for me to take someone seriously when they are claiming someone is facing jail time for violating an "accommodation" law. In what state does that occur?
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Tell that to the nurse who lost her job because of her moral conscience could not allow her to assist in an abortion.
    Tell that to the doctor that was hauled into court because he refused to artificially inseminate a single woman because his moral conscience believes his services were to assist married couples wanting children.
    Tell that to those who work in social welfare with a code based on religious morals who end up having to close their doors because they can no longer operate on what the "state rules" says they must. And all those organizations out there who are so willing to help the needy that no longer qualify for government assistance because their moral conscience will not allow them to compromise to the government mandates they must comply to receive funding.
    Tell that to the baker who had to close up his shop because he was found violating accommodation laws and if he didn't comply faces fines and jail time even though his state constitution promised him the right to practice his moral conscience.

    What you want people to do is unconscionable. You want them to forget who they are and what they believe in order to work in the public square. What you are willing to deny a person, his identity, in the name of anti-discrimination is appalling and the worst discrimination of all. After all, if a person can't freely be who they are in the public square, they have lost their freedom.
    If you can't handle the duties of the job, find a different job. It is that simple.

    I expect people to do their job or find a job they can do without violating their personal conscience. You go into business, then you are agreeing to the rules that govern business in that state. And that includes future rules that may come up. This is why businesses are some of the main people we see lobbying for and against certain laws. They are affected by those laws. But everyone is affected when businesses refuse to do business with the entire public based on claimed moral objections.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    1.)Tell that to the nurse who lost her job because of her moral conscience could not allow her to assist in an abortion.
    Tell that to the doctor that was hauled into court because he refused to artificially inseminate a single woman because his moral conscience believes his services were to assist married couples wanting children.
    Tell that to those who work in social welfare with a code based on religious morals who end up having to close their doors because they can no longer operate on what the "state rules" says they must. And all those organizations out there who are so willing to help the needy that no longer qualify for government assistance because their moral conscience will not allow them to compromise to the government mandates they must comply to receive funding.
    Tell that to the baker who had to close up his shop because he was found violating accommodation laws and if he didn't comply faces fines and jail time even though his state constitution promised him the right to practice his moral conscience.

    2.)What you want people to do is unconscionable.
    3.) You want them to forget who they are and what they believe in order to work in the public square.
    4.) What you are willing to deny a person, his identity, in the name of anti-discrimination is appalling and the worst discrimination of all.
    5.) After all, if a person can't freely be who they are in the public square, they have lost their freedom.
    1.) dotnt know if any of that is true nor do i care one single bit. IF they broke the law and violated the rights of others, that was THEIR moronic choice for thinking they are above the law.
    2.) so its unconscionable for people not to be stupid and break the law, to have the same rules for us all? yep so terrible LOL
    3.) i do? please qoute me saying this lie, you will fail.
    4.) factually false again they are free to have thier identity lol
    5.) they can be who they are in a public square nobody said otherwise lol

    do you ever not make stuff up? do you think these lies and dishonesty actual work and fool anybody educated and honest?

    SOrry rights and freedom bother you but I dont get SPECIAL treatment for being a christian and neither does anybody else, we all play by the same rules and rights. If this bothers you there are countries out there that dont believe in rights and freedom, you could check them out.

    Try russia you might have better luck there in thier public square lol
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Can you actually post real examples of all of these hypothetical situations? It is hard for me to take someone seriously when they are claiming someone is facing jail time for violating an "accommodation" law. In what state does that occur?
    Sure I could give you examples of all that I mentioned. I'll work on it tomorrow. The recent cases of the bakers, photographers, florists etc any services pertaining to weddings in some instances through the order of the court did give fines, and with the warning if they did not comply with accommodation laws faced jail time. In any event those I have been following ended up either not doing wedding ceremonies losing major revenue or closed up shop all together. But yeah, I'll give you examples.

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