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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Why would anyone want to get married in the eyes of the government anyways?

    Family, friends, church sure - but government?

    Makes no sense to me.

    What does a piece of paper mean?

    PROBLEMS! ha..
    I certainly don't need government to define marriage for me.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Nope, that is absolutely wrong.

    The government doesn't grant me "legal relationship" when I want to date a woman. I don't have to ask the government first then sign a bunch of papers if I want to ask a lady out.
    My bad. I was referring to legal kinship. I apologize for mistyping that. It was meant as "legal kinship". Just as you need to prove legal kinship to others, you also need some way to prove it for your spouse. And enter marriage license/certificate, legal marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sorry, I never said I didn't support it. I said the opposite. Read my posts in this thread again.
    I did not say you did not, I said I cannot find argument from you supporting the decision.

    You think a marriage certificate is the be all, end all of a happy union. I don't. We disagree. Isn't America grand?
    More straw from the horse, I never said anything of the sort.....and this is just a cheap way of avoiding the debate.

    you claim to "support gay marriage"....but disagree with the basic arguments supporting it.

    How does that work? To me, it is a contradiction.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    How we define our relationships has nothing to do with this.
    Exactly. Which pretty much invalidates your next statement.

    It is how the government has redefined marriage that has ended an institution as it was originally defined.
    Your relationship hasn't changed. How the government treats your relationship hasn't changed. Women getting the right to vote did not end voting for men. It didn't take anything away from men. How the government defines someone else's relationship really doesn't affect you. So why do you get to decide that for someone else?

    Half of this country does not agree with the new definition.
    Half the country disagreed with a lot of things. Things like women voting, or interracial marriage. They got over it.

    By states getting out of the marriage license business and switching everything to civil unions, it no longer defines any relationship only to the point for legal purposes.
    While I have no constitutional objection to this, I believe it is an inaccurate concession to a minority who believe they have sole ownership over that word. They do not. You do not own that word. You do not get to dictate that other people can't have that word associated with their relationship in the eyes of the government. Furthermore, this notion is completely disingenuous because nobody expressed this desire until it became obvious that same-sex marriage was going to happen. It's just trying to take your ball and go home.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, I'll ask: do you believe the state should be involved in civil contract, ie should the state protect the rights of individuals who create contract involving laws of the state?
    Civil contract has NOTHING to do with civil liberties unless civil liberties were violated in which the contract would be void unless otherwise noted (in laymans terms).

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I certainly don't need government to define marriage for me.
    But...you certainly need the govt to protect your rights in and of the marriage.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I certainly don't need government to define marriage for me.
    Great. So don't sign the government's piece of paper. Nobody cares. So why do you think you should be able to prevent other people from signing that piece of paper because it uses a word you don't want them to use?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Civil contract has NOTHING to do with civil liberties unless civil liberties were violated in which the contract would be void unless otherwise noted.
    The right to contract is a civil liberty, Mr. Libertarian.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    good thing they arent being forced, they have to play by the same rules has ALL OF US, you want them to get special treatment, no thanks
    When your choices are to compromise your moral conscience or go hungry, I'd say that is being forced. But while you justify these accomdation laws that force people to compromise their moral conscience, how long will it be before you folks will be demanding your right to make a Catholic priest, a minister or clergy of any church affiliation or Rabbi or Cleric to marry same sex couples demanding it a right and claiming discrimination? I don't think it will be long. Probably in my lifetime. Maybe then people will wake up and decide it's time for the states to get out of the marriage license business.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    You would think that at some point, the bigots would get a clue and just give up. The writing in on the wall....just as the bigots lost the segration battles before.....
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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