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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

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    I'm looking at marriage as a historical anthropological idea and you're throwing me western religious ideas..
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    Western religions.....are a subset of Human Anthropology.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm sorry but we're not even on the same page here...

    I'm looking at marriage as a historical anthropological idea and you're throwing me western religious ideas.

    I don't disagree with you, but I can't agree either.
    And that last link shows the origins of marriage. It did not involve religion. For many thousands of years, it did not involve religion. Religion became involved where religion was basically involved in the everyday lives of the members of the society. But not all societies had this major interference of their religion. And even some that did, left marriage as a family affair, that had no need for religious involvement.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I don't have to show you - your proof is here in the present - if I was wrong we wouldn't be having these debates now would we?
    Wait, you don't seriously propose that those here are civil law scholars OBJECTIVELY debating aspects of gay marriage within civil law.....do you?

    You are evading the question, show where marriage in civil law is subjectively defined.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm going after you because you claimed, believed, that these examples of (civil) rights (involving marriage) were "a long way away from each other".

    Marriage isn't a "civil right."

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh. Oh well. Can't help you, sorry. I don't consider marriage the "most basic of human rights". You do. We disagree.
    It is not me, it is a finding of the Supreme Court of the United States. It is an established fact of law.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Wait, you don't seriously propose that those here are civil law scholars OBJECTIVELY debating aspects of gay marriage within civil law.....do you?

    You are evading the question, show where marriage in civil law is subjectively defined.
    "Subjectively defined" is an oxymoron hence the debate.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Marriage isn't a "civil right."
    Of course it is, since it is the most basic of human rights, re: Loving v Virginia.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "Subjectively defined" is an oxymoron hence the debate.
    WTF... you ARE establishing further that you have no concept of the terms you use
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is not me, it is a finding of the Supreme Court of the United States. It is an established fact of law.
    No, actually, they didn't define it as "the most basic of human rights". They defined it as "one of the 'basic civil rights of man,' fundamental to our very existence and survival".

    I don't consider marriage fundamental to our existence and survival. I also don't agree with every definition that SCOTUS has handed down. Eminent domain takes away my basic human right to keep what's mine.

    We disagree on the importance of marriage certificates. You won't change my opinion and I have no interest in changing yours or anyone else's. I have opinions that are my own and not what some judges on SCOTUS tell me to think.

    Are we finished now?

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Marriage isn't a "civil right."
    Yes it is, see Loving v Virginia (1967), but, as usual, the SCOTUS ruling was quite narrow and did not say that any two consenting adults could marry, only that racial difference could not prevent one man from marrying one woman.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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