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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And those show a couple of legal scholars and a single blogger who are suggesting it. That is not major support. That is simply a couple of people who support it. I recognize that a few people support this. But I believe the majority of this is really one of two situations. One; those who are against same sex marriage but recognize that it will legal soon so they are desperate to maintain their claim to the word. Two; those who do not like confrontations and are looking to appease everyone, and this is their proposal of doing it. The problem is that this will become a non-issue once same sex marriage is completely legal everywhere. Most won't even notice it after a couple years. Sure, some will still grumble about it, just as some now grumble about interracial marriages or about sodomy laws being struck down.
    I did say it was a personal observation. I agree with you on what the end will be though.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    But apparently, you cannot logically explain how your "opinion" that a human right (marriage) is different from a civil right (interracial marriage) is different from a "gay" right (gay marriage).
    Oh well.

    I'm pro-gay marriage. You may want to go after someone else.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Yes, even in law!
    Um, no, not in civil law. Show how it is of a whim and not objectively described here:

    https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/0...2292-ORDER.pdf
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And his judicial reasoning in this case is excellent. I already posted the opinion, but here it is again for those interested:

    http://www.aclupa.org/files/8714/006...OD_OPINION.pdf
    And Santorum probably disagrees with his opinion, but Santorum didn't endorse him so he could uphold traditional marriage.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Stop. Stop right there.

    Explain to me how your marriage, my marriage, or anyone else's marriage has been "redefined."
    How we define our relationships has nothing to do with this. It is how the government has redefined marriage that has ended an institution as it was originally defined. Half of this country does not agree with the new definition. By states getting out of the marriage license business and switching everything to civil unions, it no longer defines any relationship only to the point for legal purposes.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Oh well.

    I'm pro-gay marriage. You may want to go after someone else.
    I'm going after you because you claimed, believed, that these examples of (civil) rights (involving marriage) were "a long way away from each other".
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Societies have a claim to marriage. What part of that did you not understand?

    13 Facts on the History of Marriage | LiveScience


    And heck, in this country the state plays a much bigger role in marriage than the church. In fact, the state has held a much bigger role in marriage in the US since the 19th Century.

    Marriage, a History | Psychology Today

    How marriage has changed over centuries - The Week

    The Origin of Marriage (And the Evolution of Divorce) | Dollars and Sex | Big Think
    I'm sorry but we're not even on the same page here...

    I'm looking at marriage as a historical anthropological idea and you're throwing me western religious ideas.

    I don't disagree with you, but I can't agree either.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And according to half the population in this country you don't own the definition to marriage for sure. The traditional one has been around for thousands of years.
    no it hasn't....certainly not how we define it from your perspective.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I'm going after you because you claimed, believed, that these examples of (civil) rights (involving marriage) were "a long way away from each other".
    Oh. Oh well. Can't help you, sorry. I don't consider marriage the "most basic of human rights". You do. We disagree.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, no, not in civil law. Show how it is of a whim and not objectively described here:

    https://ecf.cand.uscourts.gov/cand/0...2292-ORDER.pdf
    I don't have to show you - your proof is here in the present - if I was wrong we wouldn't be having these debates now would we?

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