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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    But, on a state level, there is no difference between civil unions and marriage except in name. If there is, I might rethink my stance.
    There are literally hundreds of differences in laws that handle marriage vs. civil unions. Those who claim to support civil unions as a separate but equal status have yet to even attempt to deliver that.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm sure, then, that you agree Christianity has no specific authority to claim the word "marriage."

    Side note/fun fact:
    The terrible, activist judge in PA that overturned the ban was endorsed by none other than social conservative hero Rick Santorum!
    Santorum endorsed him because he was a good and smart legislator. Santorum surprisingly enough isn't a one issue person.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm sure, then, that you agree Christianity has no specific authority to claim the word "marriage."

    Side note/fun fact:
    The terrible, activist judge in PA that overturned the ban was endorsed by none other than social conservative hero Rick Santorum!
    The word "marriage" is highly subjective to the English language.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And as I said before, here is where we differ. I see the treatment of blacks until the civil rights movement as horrible. I don't see not getting a marriage certificate as "horrible".
    Straw...again. The denial of basic human rights, denying the right to choose who you want to marry, is not constitutional.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, not at all, Judge Walker cited Loving v Virginia which established that marriage is one of our most basic human rights.Really....to you civil and humans rights have nothing to do with each other?

    How does that work?
    I was talking about the treatment of blacks before the civil rights movement versus gays not getting a marriage license. So what the judge cited in his ruling isn't relevant to the context of my post that you quoted.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The word "marriage" is highly subjective to the English language.
    But not in law.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Straw...again. The denial of basic human rights, the right to choose who you want to marry, is not constitutional.
    Oh. That's nice.

    I'm pro-gay marriage.

    I'm talking about the treatment of blacks.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I have not seen that support. Can you provide actual polls or research and not just anecdotal evidence?
    I found a couple of stories/blogs. I dont know about finding actual polls or research but I will continue to try.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    That is epic bull**** but, since you said it I will go with it? so who did go with marriage? 11th century governments?

    The truth is marriage has been a spiritual bond/religious bond for the last 10,000 years..

    Marriage ritualistic artifacts have been found that are over 10,000 years old -- and none of these rituals have anything to do with government(s), and everything to do with the spiritual/religious.

    Governments had NOTHING to do with any of these "unions" unless they were to "unify" families for political or wealth reasons.
    Societies have a claim to marriage. What part of that did you not understand?

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    7. State or church?

    Marriages in the West were originally contracts between the families of two partners, with the Catholic Church and the state staying out of it. In 1215, the Catholic Church decreed that partners had to publicly post banns, or notices of an impending marriage in a local parish, to cut down on the frequency of invalid marriages (the Church eliminated that requirement in the 1980s). Still, until the 1500s, the Church accepted a couple's word that they had exchanged marriage vows, with no witnesses or corroborating evidence needed.
    And heck, in this country the state plays a much bigger role in marriage than the church. In fact, the state has held a much bigger role in marriage in the US since the 19th Century.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I was talking about the treatment of blacks before the civil rights movement versus gays not getting a marriage license. So what the judge cited in his ruling isn't relevant to the context of my post that you quoted.
    You were trying to say that the right denied a homosexual is a long from a right denied to a Black. It is not, since in this CASE, they both involve the most basic of human rights.....the right to marry.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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