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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Yes. The institution of Western marriage has changed in a huge way in the past few hundred years....HUGE. Women used to basically be the property of their husbands. Period. Property. Not even able to consent fully on their own behalf.

    Women gained more personal recognition and liberty in society and that is reflected in marriage today.

    Gays have gained more personal recognition and liberty in society and that is being reflected in marriage today.

    Institutions change.

    And you know what...there are religious people, and alot of men in general, that believe things would still be better if women were completely subordinate, legally, to their husbands. And blame society today on that change. Does that mean the change was wrong? Or was it the right thing for women, the right thing to do?
    Don't pose a question of wrong or right, those are morals which all vary per person.

    Unless.... If you're speaking from an ethical viewpoint then the answer is already in front of you.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which is pointless. It does nothing but make things more complicated, and only to appease some people who don't want to share. Whiners who don't want same sex couples being called "married".
    I dont see anything more complicated about it. For legal things people get civil unions instead of marriages. Not complicated at all.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, not at all, Judge Walker cited Loving v Virginia which established that marriage is one of our most basic human rights.
    That's nice, but it has nothing to do with my post that you quoted.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Nope it wouldn't cause major issues for our family laws. There would still be mothers and fathers and heads of household. Every relationship with a civil union would be treated equally under the law no matter how you define your relationship because marriage no longer means the same thing to all people.
    Yes, it would. And as I've said many times, it serves no real purpose but appeasement of discriminators. Most people who are for this action are against same sex marriage but recognize that it is going to be legal soon across the US. Very few that are currently for same sex marriage being legal actually support changing the name to civil unions. (Although there are certainly some that support removing government from personal relationships altogether, but that is not the same as changing the name.)

    Those currently in a civil union do not want to be treated as married, that is why they entered into civil unions and not marriages (with the only exception being where civil unions are for same sex couples rather than anyone).
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have no idea why, because to me the civil rights movement wasn't about interracial marriage. I thought my examples in my post would have made it clear.
    Horse before the cart, interracial marriage is all about basic human rights.

    How would legalizing SSM change any prejudice against gay people?
    No law changes a feeling a person holds, a law can stop them from ACTING on those feelings. You got it backwards and inside out.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I dont see anything more complicated about it. For legal things people get civil unions instead of marriages. Not complicated at all.
    The change is where the complication comes in. We already have civil unions as a legal institution, which is used on a state level for those couples who want a legal recognition that is different than marriage.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I have no idea why, because to me the civil rights movement wasn't about interracial marriage. I thought my examples in my post would have made it clear.

    How would legalizing SSM change any prejudice against gay people?
    THe civil rights movement wasnt about interracial marriage, legalization of interracial marriage in the South was an offshoot of that...it was enabled by the greater movement.

    And the civil rights movement wasnt about changing prejudice...it was about giving *people*...blacks...equal rights, making sure they were no longer treated like 2nd class citizens and had *equal protection under the law.*

    Just like this step in SSM is one piece of recognizing the same for gays.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, it would. And as I've said many times, it serves no real purpose but appeasement of discriminators. Most people who are for this action are against same sex marriage but recognize that it is going to be legal soon across the US. Very few that are currently for same sex marriage being legal actually support changing the name to civil unions. (Although there are certainly some that support removing government from personal relationships altogether, but that is not the same as changing the name.)

    Those currently in a civil union do not want to be treated as married, that is why they entered into civil unions and not marriages (with the only exception being where civil unions are for same sex couples rather than anyone).
    That is incorrect from my experience. In the LGBT groups I am a member of there is strong support for this.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    With all due respect (don't you hate when someone says that before a thought?), it's a long long long way from gay marriage rights to the civil rights movement.
    No, not at all, Judge Walker cited Loving v Virginia which established that marriage is one of our most basic human rights.
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's nice, but it has nothing to do with my post that you quoted.
    Really....to you civil and humans rights have nothing to do with each other?

    How does that work?
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    That is incorrect from my experience. In the LGBT groups I am a member of there is strong support for this.
    I have not seen that support. Can you provide actual polls or research and not just anecdotal evidence?
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