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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Thanks. Please point out anything in this passage that cant be applied to a gay couple as well?

    "The term “one flesh” means that just as our bodies are one whole entity and cannot be divided into pieces and still be a whole, so God intended it to be with the marriage relationship. There are no longer two entities (two individuals), but now there is one entity (a married couple). There are a number of aspects to this new union.

    As far as emotional attachments are concerned, the new unit takes precedence over all previous and future relationships (Genesis 2:24). Some marriage partners continue to place greater weight upon ties with parents than with the new partner. This is a recipe for disaster in the marriage and is a perversion of God’s original intention of “leaving and cleaving.” A similar problem can develop when a spouse begins to draw closer to a child to meet emotional needs rather than to his or her partner.

    Emotionally, spiritually, intellectually, financially, and in every other way, the couple is to become one."
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just a couple of examples; The Indians believed in their own form of SSM. There was a Chinese emperor that married another guy. Several others through out history. Even some Christian ones, though I can't remember the names of the Christian ones.
    Thanks. I know there have been unions at odd times during history, including Nero marrying some young effeminate boy. I was more curious about society-wide SSM.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That's just it, the government would no longer enforce any definition of marriage everything becomes neutral in the government's eyes. What your union is to you is your business. You just no longer have the right to define what marriage is to another.
    I support labelling the coupling of two people (of consenting age) as a civil union for precisely this reason. Then the debate about "marriage" becomes irrelevant. Call your union whatever you want, and leave it at that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I guess because I think it's a long way from being barred from buying a home or getting a good job to the privilege of having a piece of paper that says "You're married". To me, being with someone I love is far more important than the paper that the state of NJ gave to me & my husband. Not even the opponents of gay marriage seem to be saying that gay people shouldn't be with those they love.
    When gays are 'out', they are often denied apts/condos in 'certain' buildings and they are certainly denied good jobs. It's just not as visible a difference but the prejudice is still there...this thread and the fact that so many still object to SSM is proof of that.

    How about the interracial couples...why did they have to have that piece of paper? Why couldnt they just be happy being with who they loved?
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Thanks. Please point out anything in this passage that cant be applied to a gay couple as well?

    "The term “one flesh” means that just as our bodies are one whole entity and cannot be divided into pieces and still be a whole, so God intended it to be with the marriage relationship. There are no longer two entities (two individuals), but now there is one entity (a married couple). There are a number of aspects to this new union.

    As far as emotional attachments are concerned, the new unit takes precedence over all previous and future relationships (Genesis 2:24). Some marriage partners continue to place greater weight upon ties with parents than with the new partner. This is a recipe for disaster in the marriage and is a perversion of God’s original intention of “leaving and cleaving.” A similar problem can develop when a spouse begins to draw closer to a child to meet emotional needs rather than to his or her partner.

    Emotionally, spiritually, intellectually, financially, and in every other way, the couple is to become one."
    The funny thing is, that sounds an awful lot like the idea of a soulmate. Which was a Greek concept, possibly something from earlier cultures. It wasn't introduced by Christianity, nor the Bible. It was a passed down concept, that just got included in the Bible in a different way. Adapted for the beliefs of that time.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    When gays are 'out', they are often denied apts/condos in 'certain' buildings and they are certainly denied good jobs. It's just not as visible a difference but the prejudice is still there...this thread and the fact that so many still object to SSM is proof of that.

    How about the interracial couples...why did they have to have that piece of paper? Why couldnt they just be happy being with who they loved?
    But I'm not talking about interracial couples, and as evidenced by my posts on this subject, I obviously wouldn't support a ban on interracial couples.

    If gays are denied jobs and housing now because of prejudice against their lifestyle, how would making SSM legal change that?

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I was supporting it. Defended same sex marriage as an issue in 1997, while in 11th grade. There was a case in Hawaii that led to DOMA. It overturned state marriage law that restricted same sex couples from getting married as violating Hawaii state constitution. There was a case that got turned down by the SCOTUS in the 1970s, when homosexuals could still be institutionalized for just coming out as gay in some places.

    Less people supported it then, than now. But that number has slowly risen over the last two decades. The main thing that led to the major push on same sex marriage was Lawrence v Texas. Striking down sodomy laws meant that there was no legal prohibition on same sex relationships allowable anywhere in the US.
    So what.

    Now how many push back? How many bothered to go to the polls and cast their vote against allowing SSM in their state?
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I support labelling the coupling of two people (of consenting age) as a civil union for precisely this reason. Then the debate about "marriage" becomes irrelevant. Call your union whatever you want, and leave it at that.
    It simply shifts to being about civil unions for no other reason except some people want to whine about sharing a word and its meaning. That is childish. We should not waste the time and money to change something to appease people who cannot behave as adults and accept that they have to share a word.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That's just it, the government would no longer enforce any definition of marriage everything becomes neutral in the government's eyes. What your union is to you is your business. You just no longer have the right to define what marriage is to another.
    That's not an answer to what I asked, so I clarified it, in brackets....Can you tell me what effect that 'redefinition' [of marriage] would have? What would happen?

    You seem to be describing what would happen if the govt made civil unions legal for gays. That is the opposite of what I asked. Sorry if I wasnt clear.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    So what.

    Now how many push back? How many bothered to go to the polls and cast their vote against allowing SSM in their state?
    Who cares? It doesn't matter. Those laws are still against the US Constitution. Many are realizing that and pushing back against those who decided to prevent same sex couples from marrying because it scared them. The Constitution is on our side with this one. It doesn't matter the support of the majority or the amount who pushed back (in the past).

    The majority did not support interracial marriage in the 1960s. Support nationwide for allowing blacks and whites to marry each other was around 20%. That is below the support for same sex marriage. Heck, that is below the support for same sex marriage in the 1990s, when these bans started getting enacted.
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