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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I live in a rural area and I know what I'm referring to. Take your blinders off....
    It takes one hell of a set of blinders to make that kind of comparison.

    The consequences of the destruction of the traditional Family unit are more apparent in inner city areas than any other location in America including rural trailer parks.

    One is a real and perpetual tragedy that leads to poverty, dependence, drug abuse, crime, violence and a lack of education.

    The other us a worn out sterotype, a dumb joke.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then we would be discussing how "civil unions" should be defined. You are just pushing the issue to a different word. It is mere semantics and it doesn't actually solve anything.
    Oh but it does solve much. You can no longer use judges and legislation to define marriage for me nor can I define it for you.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Which has nothing to do with the rights of consenting adults to marry.
    It doesn't, what it does have to do with though is that unlike homosexuality, incest can lead to a rapid decline in the genetic fitness of a species which can lead to a multitude of problems. Hence why incestual marriages may not have to be banned but should be limited to marriages with no children (adoption allowed).
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It takes one hell of a set of blinders to make that kind of comparison.

    The consequences of the destruction of the traditional Family unit are more apparent in inner city areas than any other location in America including rural trailer parks.

    One is a real and perpetual tragedy that leads to poverty, dependence, drug abuse, crime, violence and a lack of education.

    The other us a worn out sterotype, a dumb joke.
    That would be a problem caused by single parenting in impoverished conditions, not "the destruction of the traditional family unit". In fact, mother-father-children only family units are not nearly as "traditional" as you are making them out to be. The most traditional family unit is a highly extended family with many people, relatives specifically, involved in raising the children, helping the parents in many ways.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Oh but it does solve much. You can no longer use judges and legislation to define marriage for me nor can I define it for you.
    No. It doesn't. All it does is shift the argument to how civil unions are defined.

    No one is defining marriage for you personally. You are not forced to enter into a same sex marriage. Your personal definition of marriage can still exclude same sex couples on a personal level. You are free to believe that they aren't "really married".

    I define my marriage. My husband and I and how we work our marriage defines our marriage. Your marriage should be defined by what you hold dear in your marriage. And other people's marriages should be personally defined by them.

    The law defines marriage as a specific legal agreement to create a legal kinship of spousehood that comes with certain other rights, benefits, responsibilities, etc. That is how marriage is defined by the law. And that definition in no way prevents two people of the same sex from entering into it. Hell, right now, many people of the same sex enter into marriage legally without any problems with your marriage, unless you allow there to be problems.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    It doesn't, what it does have to do with though is that unlike homosexuality, incest can lead to a rapid decline in the genetic fitness of a species which can lead to a multitude of problems. Hence why incestual marriages may not have to be banned but should be limited to marriages with no children (adoption allowed).
    This isn't China. We don't nor should we decide who can reproduce.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This isn't China. We don't nor should we decide who can reproduce.
    Yet we can try and decide who can marry?
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This isn't China. We don't nor should we decide who can reproduce.
    Actually, we do, to a very limited extent. Laws against incest have existed in this country for quite some time (pretty much since its founding). If people want to challenge those laws, they are free to do so. We also have laws that limit people of certain ages or positions from having sexual contact (which could lead to procreation) with certain others due to undue influence that can occur within such a relationship.

    Is it possible that such challenges will result in changes to the laws? It absolutely could. I would support changes to laws that ban relationships between first cousins or further out given the small chance of genetic problems and the fact that most cousins in this country are not raised together so there is little chance of undue influence within the relationships.

    Just like with any challenges, it will all depend on the state's argument for why such limitations exist and how they are actually furthering a legitimate state interest. The argument in this situation may or may not stand up to judicial scrutiny. We would have to see if challenged.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Yet we can try and decide who can marry?
    Who is "we"? That would be you.

    You made a suggestion for an approved marriage with a caveat that excluded reproduction. So you're advocating the conditions of marriage. I'm not.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. It doesn't. All it does is shift the argument to how civil unions are defined.

    No one is defining marriage for you personally. You are not forced to enter into a same sex marriage. Your personal definition of marriage can still exclude same sex couples on a personal level. You are free to believe that they aren't "really married".

    I define my marriage. My husband and I and how we work our marriage defines our marriage. Your marriage should be defined by what you hold dear in your marriage. And other people's marriages should be personally defined by them.

    The law defines marriage as a specific legal agreement to create a legal kinship of spousehood that comes with certain other rights, benefits, responsibilities, etc. That is how marriage is defined by the law. And that definition in no way prevents two people of the same sex from entering into it. Hell, right now, many people of the same sex enter into marriage legally without any problems with your marriage, unless you allow there to be problems.
    What you fail to grasp is you have taken an fundamental institution in this country and turned it upside down by redefining the term marriage as it has been recognized for thousands of years. So if you can redefine marriage, why can't civil unions be redefined? In doing so your "marriage" can be defined any way you like it.

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