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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The same harm as selling beer on Sunday or allowing a beer commercial to actually show someone drinking a beer will cause (none at all). Many laws are passed to prevent freedom of choice for those that have no "proper morals" according to a majority of voters. I agree 100% that SSM will not ruin America, but at the same time cannot see how a few folks having "a strong personal desire" to change existing laws makes a law suddenly invalid. The basis for this judicial decision is the 14th amendment passed in 1868 - what, exactly, triggered this "we must allow SSM" other than activist judges?
    The difference between blue laws and same sex marriage laws is the ability of those affected by them to show an actual hardship or harm done by the laws. You can easily show a hardship that same sex couples face (compared to opposite sex couples) when it comes to marriage.

    Blue laws are crap and need to go away. (Heck, it was completely retarded just this past Sunday that we had to wait until exactly noon (which was just 3 minutes away from when we stopped at the wine booth) while at the Got To Be NC fair to do wine tasting when we were all at the fair in the first place. It wasn't like we were going to go run to church or have a few people coming from church right after.) The problem with blue laws is in challenging them because they involve such a petty issue that it is hard to show any actual hardship is being done to people from just not being allowed to sell or provide alcohol on certain days or at certain times.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    The desire and ability of gays to finally be able to have a voice? Momentum had to grow? Why did the civil rights movement hit it's tipping point in the 60's, 100 yrs after Civil War and freedom for blacks?

    The societal costs were too high before....to speak out jeopardized jobs, *families* (look how many gays married to be socially acceptable in the past), risked beatings and even death, being shunned by one's family, etc.
    With all due respect (don't you hate when someone says that before a thought?), it's a long long long way from gay marriage rights to the civil rights movement.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And in the past, many states "fought hard" to ban interracial marriages only to have those laws struck down by a SCOTUS decision in 1967, Loving v VA. Do you think that the people then wanted the bans on interracial marriage overturned any less than those people who are currently against same sex marriage? The judge that ruled on the case to begin with in Loving v VA placed religious reasoning in his ruling against the Lovings. So that shows that there was a lot of religious-based "moral conscience" against interracial marriages as well.
    Those involved in interracial marriages did not redefine marriage. Same sex marriage does. Big difference. Like I mentioned in another thread, what states will likely end up doing is do away with marriage altogether making them civil unions for legal purposes only. That way no one can redefine marriage for everyone.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Those involved in interracial marriages did not redefine marriage. Same sex marriage does. Big difference. Like I mentioned in another thread, what states will likely end up doing is do away with marriage altogether making them civil unions for legal purposes only. That way no one can redefine marriage for everyone.
    As much as those for same sex marriage are "redefining" marriage.

    And I'm willing to bet you are wrong that states will "do away with marriage" in favor of civil unions. People are not going to go for it because it would have to start with a change in federal law recognizing civil unions on the same level of marriage is now, which isn't likely to happen any time soon. Most of the rights and privileges and benefits of marriage are federal, not state.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    With all due respect (don't you hate when someone says that before a thought?), it's a long long long way from gay marriage rights to the civil rights movement.
    Yes, because being gay isn't as visibly obvious. Makes persecution tougher. But when a gay man hits on someone in a bar and is literally murdered​ for it, it does invite some comparisons to other types of persecution.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    With all due respect (don't you hate when someone says that before a thought?), it's a long long long way from gay marriage rights to the civil rights movement.
    No. It's just a different part of the same movement. A different group being treated unfairly, unequally, due to something that in no way harms others and that no one else should even care about.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, because being gay isn't as visibly obvious. Makes persecution tougher. But when a gay man hits on someone in a bar and is literally murdered​ for it, it does invite some comparisons to other types of persecution.
    That has nothing to do with what I said to Lursa.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    With all due respect (don't you hate when someone says that before a thought?), it's a long long long way from gay marriage rights to the civil rights movement.
    Then what are some of the differences?

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As much as those for same sex marriage are "redefining" marriage.

    And I'm willing to bet you are wrong that states will "do away with marriage" in favor of civil unions. People are not going to go for it because it would have to start with a change in federal law recognizing civil unions on the same level of marriage is now, which isn't likely to happen any time soon. Most of the rights and privileges and benefits of marriage are federal, not state.
    All it would take is a little piece of legislation to change the term marriage to civil union throughout the law and it's done! No benefits have to change. The only thing changing is how the government states it. If you want Holy Matrimony, give your vows according to your faith. If your idea of marriage is something else call it whatever you want. But no one in government will any longer be able to redefine marriage for another.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm 51, but I don't think we count as "older" Americans....at least I hope not.
    50s is the new 40s. lol

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