Page 31 of 89 FirstFirst ... 2129303132334181 ... LastLast
Results 301 to 310 of 882

Thread: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

  1. #301
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,756

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't think marriage was mentioned in the Constitution? I personally have pro-gay marrage views having nothing to do with the Constitution.

    My point was that 5% over half isn't as large a support level as I thought it would be. That's on the hairy edge of being less than half of Americans supporting it.

    I do have to personally disagree with your dismissal of the ballot box impact. I believe the peoples' voice to be the most compelling argument of all, personally. JMO.
    The constitution disagrees, and its opinion is more important. To give the absurd example, it doesn't matter how many people vote to ban Catholics from serving in office.

    Marriage isn't mentioned in hath constitution, but neither is wearing a blue shirt.

    Side note:
    Indeed, it is unsurprising that Defendants muster no argument engaging the strictures of heightened scrutiny, as we, too, are unable to fathom an ingenuous defense saving the Marriage Laws from being invalidated under this more-searching standard.
    Judicial BURN.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  2. #302
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,095

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The constitution disagrees, and it's opinion is more important.

    Marriage isn't mentioned in hath constitution, but neither is wearing a blue shirt.

    Side note:


    Judicial BURN.
    Is wearing a blue shirt being debated in courts?

  3. #303
    Sage
    Gimmesometruth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    US Southwest
    Last Seen
    09-13-17 @ 10:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    22,405

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, the issue is NOT just about legalities.

    If that were the case then these people would have been satisfied with Civil Unions.

    No, this is activism, a coordinated attack of a age old definition that transcends Religion and cultures and races.
    Judge Walker characterized the right at issue as "the right to marry", which, he wrote, "has been historically and remains the right to choose a spouse and, with mutual consent, join together and form a household", citing Loving v. Virginia and Griswold v. Connecticut. He went on to say that "[r]ace and gender restrictions shaped marriage during eras of race and gender inequality, but such restrictions were never part of the historical core of the institution of marriage".

    Marriage is a civil, not religious, matter.[94]:FOF 19 p.60
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

  4. #304
    Kinky
    tres borrachos's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:21 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    39,095

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    You might want to poll the people supporting SSM in this thread on how old they are. I'm 53 and no, not a lesbian. ("Not that there's anything wrong with that!" lol)

    I'm tempted to start a forum poll on just that...however I dont know the demographics for age in general on this forum.
    I'm 51, but I don't think we count as "older" Americans....at least I hope not.

  5. #305
    Sage

    vesper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Midwest
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:38 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,855

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    America is already ruined morally, there is no sanctity in marriage as it is now. Allowing SSM doesn't degrade it much more than it already has been

    People need to be self driven to live moral lives, not have the government dictate that. If that's what it takes then as a society we are failing.
    I think there is still a remnant left who practice the sanctity of marriage. And yes I agree that people need to personally desire to live moral lives. And my concern is that the government allow them to do just that by protecting their right to moral conscience. Many states have fought hard to ban same sex marriage only to have some politically appointed judge (s) overturn their wishes. This culture war is definitely infringing on religious liberties and the right to moral conscience and at this point something has to be done to protect those rights.

  6. #306
    Sage
    Lursa's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Outside Seattle
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,774

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The same harm as selling beer on Sunday or allowing a beer commercial to actually show someone drinking a beer will cause (none at all). Many laws are passed to prevent freedom of choice for those that have no "proper morals" according to a majority of voters. I agree 100% that SSM will not ruin America, but at the same time cannot see how a few folks having "a strong personal desire" to change existing laws makes a law suddenly invalid. The basis for this judicial decision is the 14th amendment passed in 1868 - what, exactly, triggered this "we must allow SSM" other than activist judges?
    The desire and ability of gays to finally be able to have a voice? Momentum had to grow? Why did the civil rights movement hit it's tipping point in the 60's, 100 yrs after Civil War and freedom for blacks?

    The societal costs were too high before....to speak out jeopardized jobs, *families* (look how many gays married to be socially acceptable in the past), risked beatings and even death, being shunned by one's family, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

  7. #307
    Outer space potato man

    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    51,756

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The same harm as selling beer on Sunday or allowing a beer commercial to actually show someone drinking a beer will cause (none at all). Many laws are passed to prevent freedom of choice for those that have no "proper morals" according to a majority of voters. I agree 100% that SSM will not ruin America, but at the same time cannot see how a few folks having "a strong personal desire" to change existing laws makes a law suddenly invalid. The basis for this judicial decision is the 14th amendment passed in 1868 - what, exactly, triggered this "we must allow SSM" other than activist judges?
    How very libertarian of you. Apparently the burden is on the people to provide some compelling argument against a restriction on their freedom instead of the other way around.

    And, by the way, massive straw man. This **** isn't about a "strong personal desire." The social cons are the ones solely basing their argument on personal opinion. my argument is based on the constitution, the supreme law of the land. As well as some of the fundamental principles of individual freedom upon which this country is based.

    And, yes, blue laws are bull****.

    Edit: oh, and the standard slippery slope nonsense. Hey, if we allow blacks to marry whites, soon people will want to marry children!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

  8. #308
    Sage
    Lursa's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Outside Seattle
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    29,774

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It DID pass and how could anyone mischaracterized the core issue of Prop 8 ?

    What misinformation could have possibly forced people to either change their mind or not understand what the primary issue was ?

    Thats ridiculous.

    People knew exactly what they were voting for.

    And your not going to convince me that a vast majority of Americans have changed their opinions on Gay marriage in just 5 years.

    Especially after they've learned what type of people are pushing for the legalization of Gay marriage.

    Bullies, that hypocritically claim their rights are being violated while they seek out and attack those who disagree with their agenda.

    If anything the activist have turned people who were on the fence on the issue against their agenda.

    " If you disagree with us we'll do our best to publicly humiliate you, force you out of your proffesion and we wont stop until we're satisfied. "

    So spare me this hyperbolic rehtoric that someone's rights are being violated.
    Who cares how many and who cares how long?

    It is a civil rights issue and unConstitutional. That is how it is being overturned, on 'equal protection under the law.'

    The people should NOT be able to vote on it...if they were voting on civil rights for blacks in the South, they might STILL not have equal rights down there. Certainly I bet 55% of people in a few of those states would be against it.

    And how long should they wait? If it's the right thing to do, they shouldnt have to wait AT ALL. Look how long it took us to overturn Jim Crow laws....and how blacks were treated as 2nd class citizens in some regions for decades. That wasnt right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

  9. #309
    Sage
    roguenuke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Raleigh, NC
    Last Seen
    05-17-17 @ 05:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,935

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I think there is still a remnant left who practice the sanctity of marriage. And yes I agree that people need to personally desire to live moral lives. And my concern is that the government allow them to do just that by protecting their right to moral conscience. Many states have fought hard to ban same sex marriage only to have some politically appointed judge (s) overturn their wishes. This culture war is definitely infringing on religious liberties and the right to moral conscience and at this point something has to be done to protect those rights.
    And in the past, many states "fought hard" to ban interracial marriages only to have those laws struck down by a SCOTUS decision in 1967, Loving v VA. Do you think that the people then wanted the bans on interracial marriage overturned any less than those people who are currently against same sex marriage? The judge that ruled on the case to begin with in Loving v VA placed religious reasoning in his ruling against the Lovings. So that shows that there was a lot of religious-based "moral conscience" against interracial marriages as well.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

  10. #310
    Sage
    Gimmesometruth's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    US Southwest
    Last Seen
    09-13-17 @ 10:22 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    22,405

    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    what, exactly, triggered this "we must allow SSM" other than activist judges?
    Um, the realization by individuals that the state nor the population has the power to discriminate against a basic right to form a legally protected union of those 2 individuals.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

Page 31 of 89 FirstFirst ... 2129303132334181 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •