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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, the issue is NOT just about legalities.

    If that were the case then these people would have been satisfied with Civil Unions.

    No, this is activism, a coordinated attack of a age old definition that transcends Religion and cultures and races.
    The only activism it is about is being treated equally by the law, I still call this rights but I will stop using that term in this case if it makes you feel better. Civil unions and legal marriage do not convey the same legal benefits. There is nothing that can be done to protect the "age old definition" except find a dictionary that defines the word the way you want it and keep that dictionary forever.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Saying "what", Clown ?
    That our judges(90% of them) are kinder, more humane, more intelligent than the general public ??

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Great, so you have no objection then. The harm caused by same sex marriage bans is far greater than the alleged-but-never-defined harm caused by same sex marriage.
    I don't have an objection I support SSM on a legal level.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    As I said, "barely passed". And if taken even a year later, it wouldn't have passed.

    A couple of things that were said about Prop 8 that weren't true.

    Lies and False Consequences: The Movement to Pass Prop 8




    That stuff listed above is what was being put out about same sex marriage and how Prop 8 was supposed to stop this "horrible" stuff from happening. All fearmongering.
    It passed in California, in one of the Bluest States in the Nation.

    And people were simply given the choice to either endorse Gay marriage or not.

    They chose not to.

    These LGBT activist are trying to convince enough gullible people that they currently have overwhelming support for their iniatives.

    They dont.

    Case in point.

    Houstons Lesbian Myor is trying to push through a new "Human Rights Ordinance" .

    It would forbid Bussinesses in the City Limits to discriminate based on sexual identification.

    Among its restrictions Bussiness's would not be allowed to restrict a person who identifies with the alternate sex from entering the bathroom of their choice.

    Funny thing, Groups of Black Houstonians are the one's who are primarily rallying against it.

    And it looks like there's not a chance in hell this ordinace will make it through a City Council vote.

    This " massive wave of suppprt " for LGBT iniatives isn't really there.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's actually interesting. I'm in favor of gay marriage because I don't really care who marries who, but 55% is lower than I thought it would be. That's only slightly over half of all Americans, hardly an overwhelming majority. I see the younger the person the higher the support, which isn't a surprise.
    Wouldn't matter if it was five percent. The constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the ballot box, and it's funny how often the people screaming "individual liberty" and "get back to the constitution" forget that.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    It passed in California, in one of the Bluest States in the Nation.

    And people were simply given the choice to either endorse Gay marriage or not.

    They chose not to.

    These LGBT activist are trying to convince enough gullible people that they currently have overwhelming support for their iniatives.

    They dont.

    Case in point.

    Houstons Lesbian Myor is trying to push through a new "Human Rights Ordinance" .

    It would forbid Bussinesses in the Cott Limits to discriminate based on sexual identification.

    Among its restrictions Bussiness's would not be allowed to restrict a person who identifies with the alternate sex from entering the bathroom of their choice.

    Funny thing, Groups of Black Houstonians are the one's who are primarily rallying against it.

    And it looks like there's not a chance in hell this ordinace will make it through a City Council vote.

    This " massive wave of suppprt " for LGBT iniatives isn't really there.
    Who said it was a "massive wave" everywhere? But the support does exist and the more people fire someone for merely being gay or for supporting gay rights, even in small towns or communities, places where many expect such things to occur, the more you are going to see support for gay rights increase. Most people are good and see that others should not be treated wrongly or unfairly based on their sexuality or sexual orientation (or even their gender identity).

    I posted that case from SC where an entire town is against their police chief being fired by the mayor because she (the chief) is gay. That kind of thing is what leads to the massive jumps we are seeing in gay rights/gay marriage support. The lies (like those told during the Prop 8 campaign) are not being believed by most anymore. People are realizing that same sex couples should have the right to get married despite the fearmongering being attempted.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The same harm as selling beer on Sunday or allowing a beer commercial to actually show someone drinking a beer will cause (none at all). Many laws are passed to prevent freedom of choice for those that have no "proper morals" according to a majority of voters. I agree 100% that SSM will not ruin America, but at the same time cannot see how a few folks having "a strong personal desire" to change existing laws makes a law suddenly invalid. The basis for this judicial decision is the 14th amendment passed in 1868 - what, exactly, triggered this "we must allow SSM" other than activist judges?
    Very thought provoking post.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    LOL !!

    Yes, the Murder Capital of the world is a "Trailer Park" in some redneck Southern State.

    NOT ! Actually, inner cities all over America are a great example of what happens when the Traditional Family unit is missing all together.

    Murder, poverty, drug abuse, crime and dependence and misery and its getting worse

    FYI, trailer parks are home to allot of illegal aliens now.

    The old stereotype of white trash living in mobile homes is a bit dated.
    I live in a rural area and I know what I'm referring to. Take your blinders off....
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Wouldn't matter if it was five percent. The constitution is the supreme law of the land, not the ballot box, and it's funny how often the people screaming "individual liberty" and "get back to the constitution" forget that.
    I didn't think marriage was mentioned in the Constitution? I personally have pro-gay marrage views having nothing to do with the Constitution.

    My point was that 5% over half isn't as large a support level as I thought it would be. That's on the hairy edge of being less than half of Americans supporting it.

    I do have to personally disagree with your dismissal of the ballot box impact. I believe the peoples' voice to be the most compelling argument of all, personally. JMO.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yep what I figured.

    Young Americans are Ok with it.

    Well they were also Ok with Obama as they equated plattitudes and talking points to Presidential qualifications.

    You see where that led us.

    So I'm not really surprised.

    Maybe their opinions should be subject to a mathematical divisor that would counter their exponential lack of Common sense and life experience ?
    You might want to poll the people supporting SSM in this thread on how old they are. I'm 53 and no, not a lesbian. ("Not that there's anything wrong with that!" lol)

    I'm tempted to start a forum poll on just that...however I dont know the demographics for age in general on this forum.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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