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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Do I need to define statist?
    Within the law, something that is legal, such as civil marriage, is defined by the laws that deal with it, which are put in place by the "state". Personal marriage is defined by individuals entering into marriage. There are two types of marriage, personal and civil. Civil marriage is what is in contention here, because personal marriage is defined by the individuals, not society. Society can have a say in how civil marriage is defined, but it must be consistent with the laws of that society.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes, organized religion often does outlast governments. But it doesn't last forever. Ex: Zues
    What does that tell you?

    Who or what are Zues?
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    What does that tell you?

    Who or what are Zues?
    Nothing really except that religions are a bit more flexible than governments in most places since they have very little power over the people (that isn't given to them voluntarily by individuals) unless they are actually controlling the government.

    And, although I'm pretty sure you already know this, I'm pretty sure that was a typo, and it is meant to be "Zeus". Not too hard to figure out really.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Your "holy bible" was written by men. Not God. And yes, it has changed. No longer do people follow everything in the bible. If they did then we'd still have slavery and we wouldn't have separation of church and state. But that aside take a look at the old testament, then take a look at the new, then again take a look at the newest edition of the bible. It's changed, lots.
    Inspired by God

    The NT is an affermation of the old.

    I've had the same Bible forever.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Inspired by God

    The NT is an affermation of the old.

    I've had the same Bible forever.
    It is your opinion, your interpretation that it is "inspired by God". You cannot prove that.

    And I have two different Bibles. I know of several different versions, not even counting the fact that it has been translated into many different languages, including the fact that it was not originally written in English. Even Thomas Jefferson made his own Bible, which removed any references to supernatural events/miracles.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Inspired by God

    The NT is an affermation of the old.

    I've had the same Bible forever.

    You've been alive forever?



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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Yes, I am, and those 'monikers' have their own meanings.
    You don't have much respect for proper use of English, do you. But that's kind of a conservative thing too, isn't it. Anything that isn't conservative is liberal, and anything you like about liberalism is conservative. I see it as another example of the cult of ignorance that prevails in much of your society.
    Look at it this way, when anyone says they hope the people in a communist or socialist country would get more freedom, do they say they hope the regime becomes more conservative? Or do they hope it becomes more liberal? When the USSR fell apart, it was because the old-guard conservative communists had passed on and a more liberal leadership style emerged.

    Just wondering if Liberal meant something different in Canada.

    In this country Liberals desire big government.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Within the law, something that is legal, such as civil marriage, is defined by the laws that deal with it, which are put in place by the "state". Personal marriage is defined by individuals entering into marriage. There are two types of marriage, personal and civil. Civil marriage is what is in contention here, because personal marriage is defined by the individuals, not society. Society can have a say in how civil marriage is defined, but it must be consistent with the laws of that society.
    It's the STATE who's demanding SSM be made legal over the will of the people. Statism (they actually have their grubby fingers in all marriage)

    As it is only. a small protion of society have any say at all. ( the point of my discontent)
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Nothing really except that religions are a bit more flexible than governments in most places since they have very little power over the people (that isn't given to them voluntarily by individuals) unless they are actually controlling the government.

    And, although I'm pretty sure you already know this, I'm pretty sure that was a typo, and it is meant to be "Zeus". Not too hard to figure out really.
    Religions of the world have a great bit of affect on people within their membership. (some of you don't understand religion at all)

    Didn't know Zeus was a religion.
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    Matt. 10:32-33

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is your opinion, your interpretation that it is "inspired by God". You cannot prove that.

    And I have two different Bibles. I know of several different versions, not even counting the fact that it has been translated into many different languages, including the fact that it was not originally written in English. Even Thomas Jefferson made his own Bible, which removed any references to supernatural events/miracles.
    You can't prove otherwise!

    I've study several but, the KJV is my favorite. We often reference the study Bible as well.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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