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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Never been a Statist either.
    Oookaay...? And what the heck does that have to do with what was being discussed?

    Interpretation of that Holy Bible is what makes religion, religion. It's what gives you your beliefs. It has changed with religions and within religions and it varies greatly between individuals.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Property and power ? Huh ?

    So peasants and the impoverished weren't allowed to marry each other ?

    You have no idea what you're talking about.
    Wrong, again. Even the peasants tried to marry into higher stations. I said no where that peasant's couldn't marry. There are many differing degrees of power and to a peasant even one extra pig more than they had before was an improvement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    And Gender is highly relevent in marriage. Has been for thousands of years. Just because a small group of activist bullies who say otherwise doesn't discount a millenia of Historical precedent.
    Obviously gender is not relevant as we currently have hundreds of thousands of gays and lesbians getting married across the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    And yes, there are activist judges, they exist and being "well versed" in Law doesn't mean they're not ignoring or misapplying the law.
    Are you a lawyer? If not (which is likely) then how would you know that they are misapplying the law? Because you say so? Please explain to me how they are misapplying the law. Does the 14th Amendment not say

    "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    ??

    How would you, a person that is not versed in any law apply that?

    Or wait, you're argument is based on RELIGION....again, sorry but religion has no say in whether Rights are applied equally or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I live in Texas, a State that has yet to be overrun by the activist that seek out to destroy millenia old sacred institutions.
    Try again.....

    Marriage[edit]

    Main article: Same-sex marriage in Texas

    On February 26, 2014, Judge Orlando Luis Garcia, of the United States District Court for the Western District of Texas, found that Texas's ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.[14] On April 23, 2014, Judge Barbara Nellermoe, of the 45th Judicial District Court of Bexar County, found that Texas's ban on same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.[15] Both cases are being appealed by Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott.[16][17]
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    So no, its not tough cookies for me.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Religious doctrine is more rock solid than anything the State ever concocted. It's time tested and IMO everlasting compared to most States that last a couple of hundred years then self-destruct. Which, if this country continues down the road it's on, will surely also do.

    But hey, whatever you want to put your 'faith' in.
    Yes, organized religion often does outlast governments. But it doesn't last forever. Ex: Zues
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Then by definition those would not be "Traditional".
    Are you trying to change the meaning of "traditional" now? Do you realize that even in the few short years (relatively speaking) that the US has been around it has changed at least twice?
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Not being a member of an organized religion, my beliefs have seldom wavered.

    BTW: church doctrine may evolve but, the word of God as put forth in the Holy Bible, has not.
    Your "holy bible" was written by men. Not God. And yes, it has changed. No longer do people follow everything in the bible. If they did then we'd still have slavery and we wouldn't have separation of church and state. But that aside take a look at the old testament, then take a look at the new, then again take a look at the newest edition of the bible. It's changed, lots.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Well Liberal do have many monikers...Socialists, Progressives, Communists, Marxists etc.

    Did you say you were from Canada?
    Yes, I am, and those 'monikers' have their own meanings.
    You don't have much respect for proper use of English, do you. But that's kind of a conservative thing too, isn't it. Anything that isn't conservative is liberal, and anything you like about liberalism is conservative. I see it as another example of the cult of ignorance that prevails in much of your society.
    Look at it this way, when anyone says they hope the people in a communist or socialist country would get more freedom, do they say they hope the regime becomes more conservative? Or do they hope it becomes more liberal? When the USSR fell apart, it was because the old-guard conservative communists had passed on and a more liberal leadership style emerged.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    A good portion of Texas supports same sex marriage being made legal.

    The Polling Center: Texans' View of Gay Marriage Shifts | The Texas Tribune

    And the "civil union" question is pointless. Nothing else gives the same rights/recognition as marriage. Only marriage is recognized by the federal government, and the entire bans are bound to be ruled unconstitutional before these states vote to remove their restrictions just on civil unions or other partnerships that aren't named "marriage".

    Oh, and a judge has struck down the same sex marriage ban in Texas.

    Judge strikes down Tex. same-sex marriage ban, paving way for shift in conservative state - The Washington Post
    The Washington Post ?

    I asked for a Objective poll and there is no way the "majority" of Texans support Gay marriage.

    Hell, Prop 8 passed in California, a very Blue State

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wrong, again. Even the peasants tried to marry into higher stations. I said no where that peasant's couldn't marry. There are many differing degrees of power and to a peasant even one extra pig more than they had before was an improvement.



    Obviously gender is not relevant as we currently have hundreds of thousands of gays and lesbians getting married across the world.



    Are you a lawyer? If not (which is likely) then how would you know that they are misapplying the law? Because you say so? Please explain to me how they are misapplying the law. Does the 14th Amendment not say

    "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

    ??

    How would you, a person that is not versed in any law apply that?

    Or wait, you're argument is based on RELIGION....again, sorry but religion has no say in whether Rights are applied equally or not.



    Try again.....



    LGBT Rights in Texas



    Yep, tough cookies for you.
    LOL !!

    So you found another activist judge that supports your opinion ?

    Shock !

    All the wacko activist Liberal judges in the World cant redefine whats essential a age old social tennant.

    A institution thats survived the ages up until a small minority of crazy activist, who use the premise of "equal rights" while they target and malign those who disagree with them decided it needed to be changed .

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The Washington Post ?

    I asked for a Objective poll and there is no way the "majority" of Texans support Gay marriage.

    Hell, Prop 8 passed in California, a very Blue State
    Barely passed, 6 years ago, with a lot of misinformation being put out. Then overturned.

    Find an "objective poll" that says differently about Texas and the view of same sex marriage now (as in not 2005 when Texas voted to put that ban in place). A lot has changed in the past decade, particularly the last few years, when it comes to same sex marriage.

    That poll is just as valid as any that you could find.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Oookaay...? And what the heck does that have to do with what was being discussed?

    Interpretation of that Holy Bible is what makes religion, religion. It's what gives you your beliefs. It has changed with religions and within religions and it varies greatly between individuals.
    Do I need to define statist?

    Guess I had good Sunday school teachers because my opinions have basically remained the same or strenghtened.
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