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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    'Legal' marriage is a creation of the State. It has nothing to do with traditional marriage.
    Traditional marriage is in fact nothing like what we have today. There are lots of types of marriages and your personal view of it has no real legal authority over every other marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No, actually the traditional definition is centered around property and prestige and power.



    Gender is irrelevant when raising a child.



    Actually it was quite accepted in many cultures and regions. Anti-SSM folks just refuse to acknowledge those unions as "traditional marriages".



    And yours are not? :



    I've noticed that whenever a judge upholds a ruling that people like they are just "doing what's right", while those judges that make decisions that they don't like then those judges are always "activist judges". Sorry Fenton but there are more judges than just those ruling on gay marriage that has stated time and again that marriage is a fundamental right. You cannot fault these judges for upholding that ruling and applying the 14th amendment to it. If you have a problem with it then you need to get rid of the 14th Amendment. GL on that.

    BTW, I find it hilarious that you think that 30 people who are well versed in laws are all wrong and "activist judges" and somehow know better than them.



    You don't know what it means to deny a Right do you? The government denies rights by making those Rights illegal. Something which the government is not allowed to do. Which is why all these judges have been striking down anti-SSM laws all every single time that it comes up before them.



    As we are seeing over and over with those laws being struck down by the courts.... Tough cookies to you. After all, it IS the law that they can strike down unconstitutional laws.
    Property and power ? Huh ?

    So peasants and the impoverished weren't allowed to marry each other ?

    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    And Gender is highly relevent in marriage. Has been for thousands of years. Just because a small group of activist bullies who say otherwise doesn't discount a millenia of Historical precedent.

    And yes, there are activist judges, they exist and being "well versed" in Law doesn't mean they're not ignoring or misapplying the law.

    I live in Texas, a State that has yet to be overrun by the activist that seek out to destroy millenia old sacred institutions.

    So no, its not tough cookies for me.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Traditional marriage is in fact nothing like what we have today. There are lots of types of marriages and your personal view of it has no real legal authority over every other marriage.
    Then by definition those would not be "Traditional".

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Then by definition those would not be "Traditional".
    Traditional marriages very rarely happen in the US to begin with so traditional marriage means absolutely nothing in this argument. In truth, few, if any, that are against same sex marriages are actually for "traditional marriage". They are simply for their form of marriage.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh yes, words written in a book by man to control other men are really valid forms of arguments. Not. Sorry but organized religion is a bunch of crap. No one actually knows Gods feelings on the matter. But I would bet that since God created everything on this Earth, which would including homosexuals, he's not adverse to homosexual marriages. But hey, you go ahead and continue to follow a book written by men who wanted nothing more than power and control. It matters not since in this country religion has no say in denying peoples Rights.
    Religious doctrine is more rock solid than anything the State ever concocted. It's time tested and IMO everlasting compared to most States that last a couple of hundred years then self-destruct. Which, if this country continues down the road it's on, will surely also do.

    But hey, whatever you want to put your 'faith' in.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Religious doctrine is more rock solid than anything the State ever concocted. It's time tested and IMO everlasting compared to most States that last a couple of hundred years then self-destruct. Which, if this country continues down the road it's on, will surely also do.

    But hey, whatever you want to put your 'faith' in.
    Religious doctrine changes all the time. Just a few decades ago, several religions were against interracial marriages. And many were also against divorce, to the point where those who divorced and/or remarried could not be a part of the church. Those things changed. Many religions have changed their positions on many issues throughout the years, decades, centuries. Including their position on marriage.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Religious doctrine changes all the time. Just a few decades ago, several religions were against interracial marriages. And many were also against divorce, to the point where those who divorced and/or remarried could not be a part of the church. Those things changed. Many religions have changed their positions on many issues throughout the years, decades, centuries. Including their position on marriage.
    Not being a member of an organized religion, my beliefs have seldom wavered.

    BTW: church doctrine may evolve but, the word of God as put forth in the Holy Bible, has not.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Property and power ? Huh ?

    So peasants and the impoverished weren't allowed to marry each other ?

    You have no idea what you're talking about.

    And Gender is highly relevent in marriage. Has been for thousands of years. Just because a small group of activist bullies who say otherwise doesn't discount a millenia of Historical precedent.

    And yes, there are activist judges, they exist and being "well versed" in Law doesn't mean they're not ignoring or misapplying the law.

    I live in Texas, a State that has yet to be overrun by the activist that seek out to destroy millenia old sacred institutions.

    So no, its not tough cookies for me.
    A good portion of Texas supports same sex marriage being made legal.

    The Polling Center: Texans' View of Gay Marriage Shifts | The Texas Tribune

    And the "civil union" question is pointless. Nothing else gives the same rights/recognition as marriage. Only marriage is recognized by the federal government, and the entire bans are bound to be ruled unconstitutional before these states vote to remove their restrictions just on civil unions or other partnerships that aren't named "marriage".

    Oh, and a judge has struck down the same sex marriage ban in Texas.

    Judge strikes down Tex. same-sex marriage ban, paving way for shift in conservative state - The Washington Post
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Not being a member of an organized religion, my beliefs have seldom wavered.

    BTW: church doctrine may evolve but, the word of God as put forth in the Holy Bible, has not.
    Your beliefs have only existed since you were in your early childhood (if that). That would make them pretty much younger the US, by a lot.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Your beliefs have only existed since you were in your early childhood (if that). That would make them pretty much younger the US, by a lot.

    Never been a Statist either.
    32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
    Matt. 10:32-33

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