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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, the traditional and fundamental definition of a marriage is centered around a Family unit that includes a Mother and Father and Children.

    Two Gay men deprive a child of a Mother,two Gay women deprive a child of a Father.

    Sorry, but there is a Good reason Gay Marriage hasn't been Socially acceptable for much of Recorded human history and then some.

    Your Opinions are meaningless.

    Oh and 30 activist Judges disagree with me. So what ?

    You're rights aren't being denied if its currently ILLEGAL to marry someone of the same Sex.

    You dont like the Law ? Tough cookies.
    There are many different kinds of family and the mother-father-biological children model is not the only one that provides healthy, well-balanced children. It isn't better in any way than many other family models.

    No, there isn't a good reason that same sex couples have not been accepted as valid.

    A father or mother dying deprives a child of either father or a mother. Plenty of children are raised just fine without either of these in their lives. Some are raised better without either or both of their biological parents in their lives.

    Just because a law exists, does not mean rights are not being denied. That is why we have a Constitution and a SC to enforce that Constitution.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. We are winning the push to allow same sex couples to marry.

    And I personally do not consider marriage to be a "sacred institution". I was married in the front yard of a relative who raised horses, by a Navy wife ordained on the internet, who had herself just performed a wedding a month or so prior in a hottub. Everything was legal. And my marriage is what I want it to be, not what you want it to be.

    You don't get to decide what marriage is for everyone else, not on a personal level. And the "sacred" part of marriage is personal, not legal.

    Your personal experiences are irrelevant.

    Marriage is and has always been a Sacred institution.

    Its pretty much my whole point that attacking it and marginalizing it is bad for society as a whole.

    Not only is it being attacked as a institution its being redefined by a small group of activist that also oppose the Religious aspect of traditional marriage.

    And your " winning " based on what ?

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Your personal experiences are irrelevant.

    Marriage is and has always been a Sacred institution.

    Its pretty much my whole point that attacking it and marginalizing it is bad for society as a whole.

    Not only is it being attacked as a institution its being redefined by a small group of activist that also oppose the Religious aspect of traditional marriage.

    And your " winning " based on what ?
    No, it has not always been a sacred institution. It existed long before pretty much all religions that currently are practiced today. And in most cultures, it outdated the main religions in those cultures. Marriage has mainly been an arrangement or agreement between either two people or their families. In some cases/cultures, the main purpose of that agreement/arrangement was to join families. In China they would perform weddings for deceased children (including both marrying two deceased children and marrying a living child with a deceased child). And the Christian church did not involve themselves in marriages until at the earliest the 11th Century. Prior to that, it was left up to individual families and the communities. Nothing sacred about it.

    My side is winning based on many court decisions and public opinion, not to mention the US Constitution. I have no doubt that once this reaches the SCOTUS, they will decide (although it may not be 9-0) that restrictions on marriage based on sex violate the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution, just as about 30 other judges have already. And public opinion, particularly young adults, has a very firm majority supporting same sex marriage. It is just a matter of time before same sex couples can legally marry in every state in the US. A short time.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If you think that marriage is just about tax day then you don't really know what an actual marriage is.

    And of course he's going against the wishes of the majority of people in his state. The majority of people tried to deny the fundamental right to marriage to a group of people while allowing it for another. That doesn't mean he's biased. It means he's not letting the majority down trod the minorities Rights. As is proper for any judge to do.
    Bottom line is marriage is a solemn promise before God between one man and one woman so, nothing was denied. And nothing was 'allowed'. It's not for the state to have a say in the matter

    "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

    Two men or two women can not be "one flesh" no matter how politically correct you or anyone else thinks it can be.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are many different kinds of family and the mother-father-biological children model is not the only one that provides healthy, well-balanced children. It isn't better in any way than many other family models.

    No, there isn't a good reason that same sex couples have not been accepted as valid.

    A father or mother dying deprives a child of either father or a mother. Plenty of children are raised just fine without either of these in their lives. Some are raised better without either or both of their biological parents in their lives.

    Just because a law exists, does not mean rights are not being denied. That is why we have a Constitution and a SC to enforce that Constitution.
    Sure there are many different types of Families which include single parents, but whats best for Children are a Father and a Mother.

    That ideal definition of a Family unit has been targeted not only by Gay activist but by Feminist also.

    It should be celebrated and revered, just like it has for millenia all over the world.

    Isolated and distinct cultures all coming to the same conclusion and now a small activist minority is demanding that the age old example of a Family unit and a Marriage be changed.

    And that anyone who believes in that age old definition should be targeted and ostracized.

    Its absurd !

    You can see the kind of damage that the destruction of the Family unit can cause.

    Look at any inner city area in America.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, the traditional and fundamental definition of a marriage is centered around a Family unit that includes a Mother and Father and Children.
    No, actually the traditional definition is centered around property and prestige and power.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Two Gay men deprive a child of a Mother,two Gay women deprive a child of a Father.
    Gender is irrelevant when raising a child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Sorry, but there is a Good reason Gay Marriage hasn't been Socially acceptable for much of Recorded human history and then some.
    Actually it was quite accepted in many cultures and regions. Anti-SSM folks just refuse to acknowledge those unions as "traditional marriages".

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Your Opinions are meaningless.
    And yours are not? :

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Oh and 30 activist Judges disagree with me. So what ?
    I've noticed that whenever a judge upholds a ruling that people like they are just "doing what's right", while those judges that make decisions that they don't like then those judges are always "activist judges". Sorry Fenton but there are more judges than just those ruling on gay marriage that has stated time and again that marriage is a fundamental right. You cannot fault these judges for upholding that ruling and applying the 14th amendment to it. If you have a problem with it then you need to get rid of the 14th Amendment. GL on that.

    BTW, I find it hilarious that you think that 30 people who are well versed in laws are all wrong and "activist judges" and somehow you know better than them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You're rights aren't being denied if its currently ILLEGAL to marry someone of the same Sex.
    You don't know what it means to deny a Right do you? The government denies rights by making those Rights illegal. Something which the government is not allowed to do. Which is why all these judges have been striking down anti-SSM laws all every single time that it comes up before them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You dont like the Law ? Tough cookies.
    As we are seeing over and over with those laws being struck down by the courts.... Tough cookies to you. After all, it IS the law that they can strike down unconstitutional laws.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Bottom line is marriage is a solemn promise before God between one man and one woman so, nothing was denied. And nothing was 'allowed'. It's not for the state to have a say in the matter

    "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

    Two men or two women can not be "one flesh" no matter how politically correct you or anyone else thinks it can be.
    In your opinion, marriage is a promise to God. That is not true within the laws of the US. Legal marriage has absolutely nothing to do with God.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Sure there are many different types of Families which include single parents, but whats best for Children are a Father and a Mother.

    That ideal definition of a Family unit has been targeted not only by Gay activist but by Feminist also.

    It should be celebrated and revered, just like it has for millenia all over the world.

    Isolated and distinct cultures all coming to the same conclusion and now a small activist minority is demanding that the age old example of a Family unit and a Marriage be changed.

    And that anyone who believes in that age old definition should be targeted and ostracized.

    Its absurd !

    You can see the kind of damage that the destruction of the Family unit can cause.

    Look at any inner city area in America.
    What is best for children is having loving parents. Two is preferred due to the increase in resources and time that two parents can provide to children as compared to only having one parent. The sexes/genders of those parents is not important because their is nothing specifically about their sex/gender that is that important in raising children that it cannot be provided by another source.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Bottom line is marriage is a solemn promise before God between one man and one woman so, nothing was denied. And nothing was 'allowed'. It's not for the state to have a say in the matter

    "Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

    Two men or two women can not be "one flesh" no matter how politically correct you or anyone else thinks it can be.
    Oh yes, words written in a book by man to control other men are really valid forms of arguments. Not. Sorry but organized religion is a bunch of crap. No one actually knows Gods feelings on the matter. But I would bet that since God created everything on this Earth, which would including homosexuals, he's not adverse to homosexual marriages. But hey, you go ahead and continue to follow a book written by men who wanted nothing more than power and control. It matters not since in this country religion has no say in denying peoples Rights.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In your opinion, marriage is a promise to God. That is not true within the laws of the US. Legal marriage has absolutely nothing to do with God.
    'Legal' marriage is a creation of the State. It has nothing to do with traditional marriage.
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