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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It does screw you on tax day.

    My point is by his decision, his and other Gay couples will benefit if they choose to do so. He even admits in his ruling the he's going against the wishes of the majority in 'his' state and makes out like it's a hard decision.

    I say he's biased.
    Actually, marriage can actually hurt some on tax day, depending on their situation. This is why married folks have the option of filing separately (eventhough that can even still be worse than simply filing as two single people). And many married couples don't actually know which way they should file that would be best for their situation.

    Of course you would. But technically, every single person could be considered biased on this issue in some way. The simple fact that he is gay does not make him any more biased than if he were Christian or Muslim or black or in an incestuous relationship. In fact, as I pointed out, that every single person receives more rights with same sex marriage bans struck down since every single person then has the ability/right to marry someone of the same sex, even if they may not ever exercise that right. Just as when race restrictions were struck down, that granted every single person the right to marry someone of a different race, even if most never exercise that right.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Er, in case you havent been following along, the 'states' have no legal standing to say 'no more.'

    Are you ready to explain what the 'gay lifestyle' is yet?

    IIRC It's against forum rules to stalk another poster from thread to thread.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    No marriage has ever been annulled in the United States because a couple could not bear children, no divorce has ever been granted in the history of the United States because a couple did not bear children, and the fertility of a couple has never in the history of the United States been a prerequisite to obtain a marriage license. There is not and has never been a requirement in US law that procreation is required for marriage. Furthermore, same sex couples have children through surrogacy and in vitro fertilization. Your argument is without precedent or rationality.

    Loving v. Virginia established that marriage is a fundamental and Constitutionally protected right.
    I wasn't refering to marriage in the context of being legal or illegal dependening on a couples ability to have children.

    I was really refering to the original and fundamental definition of marriage, that AGAIN, predates our Laws and Constitution.

    What I was refering to was the definition that transends cultures, religions and race.

    The natural definition of marriage.

    I realize what this small group of activist is trying to do which is to corrupt that natural definition and defy thousands of years of societal evolution.

    Good luck with that.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No civil unions in the US ever completely equaled marriage because there has never been any push within the federal government to recognize legal civil unions of anyone in any way. The only union that the federal government recognizes as granting the status of "spouse" to people is marriage.
    Lol...

    Then push to force the Federal Government to recognize legal civil unions instead of attacking a sacred istitution.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I wasn't refering to marriage in the context of being legal or illegal dependening on a couples ability to have children.

    I was really refering to the original and fundamental definition of marriage, that AGAIN, predates our Laws and Constitution.

    What I was refering to was the definition that transends cultures, religions and race.

    The natural definition of marriage.

    I realize what this small group of activist is trying to do which is to corrupt that natural definition and defy thousands of years of societal evolution.

    Good luck with that.
    except your definition of marriage was already shown to be false.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol...

    Then push to force the Federal Government to recognize legal civil unions instead of attacking a sacred istitution.
    Can you explain what is sacred about meeting a woman at Centrifuge in the MGM and 4 hours later marrying her in a drivetru chapel by and Elvis impersonator. Until you start looking to make that illegal you are not exactly going to win the sacred institution argument.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol...

    Then push to force the Federal Government to recognize legal civil unions instead of attacking a sacred istitution.
    No. We are winning the push to allow same sex couples to marry. Why would I want more government institutions when there is no legitimate reason the one available now, marriage, won't work for same sex couples the same way it does for me and other opposite sex couples?

    And I personally do not consider marriage to be a "sacred institution". I was married in the front yard of a relative who raised horses, by a Navy wife ordained on the internet, who had herself just performed a wedding a month or so prior in a hottub. Everything was legal. And my marriage is what I want it to be, not what you want it to be.

    You don't get to decide what marriage is for everyone else, not on a personal level. And the "sacred" part of marriage is personal, not legal.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) your OPINION on this is meaningless BUT lets look at your failed theroy
    gays can bear children
    straights dont always have children
    some couples do not practice monogamy
    well that theory completely fails and is meanignless to equal rights and legal marriage
    2.) false has 30 federal judges alon disagree with you. DO you have anythign to back your false claim up?
    3.) correct and individuals are begin denied, thanks for proving your own post wrong.
    4.) good thing nobody wants that nor are they calling that equal rights
    5.) your subjective meanignless definition of marriage doesnt matter to law, rights or legal marriage.

    your posts fails again.

    WHy are you against equal rights?
    No, the traditional and fundamental definition of a marriage is centered around a Family unit that includes a Mother and Father and Children.

    Two Gay men deprive a child of a Mother,two Gay women deprive a child of a Father.

    Sorry, but there is a Good reason Gay Marriage hasn't been Socially acceptable for much of Recorded human history and then some.

    Your Opinions are meaningless.

    Oh and 30 activist Judges disagree with me. So what ?

    You're rights aren't being denied if its currently ILLEGAL to marry someone of the same Sex.

    You dont like the Law ? Tough cookies.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    It does screw you on tax day.

    My point is by his decision, his and other Gay couples will benefit if they choose to do so. He even admits in his ruling the he's going against the wishes of the majority in 'his' state and makes out like it's a hard decision.

    I say he's biased.
    If you think that marriage is just about tax day then you don't really know what an actual marriage is.

    And of course he's going against the wishes of the majority of people in his state. The majority of people tried to deny the fundamental right to marriage to a group of people while allowing it for another. That doesn't mean he's biased. It means he's not letting the majority down trod the minorities Rights. As is proper for any judge to do.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol...

    Then push to force the Federal Government to recognize legal civil unions instead of attacking a sacred istitution.
    Sacred? It wasn't even until 1563 that the Council of Trent ruled that marriages must be performed in front of a pastor with witnesses. Must not have been all that sacred if the church took over 1500 years after Christ died to start getting involved in marriages. Before that marriage was nothing more than a contract between two people, usually in exchange for prestige and property and power.
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