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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    You didn't answer the question. Everyone has the right to call names and label people. You have the right to ignore them.

    The question is what right is taken from YOU when SSM is legalized and you can't even answer the question without making an appeal to your emotions, which don't matter.
    My rights aren't in question.

    I've never said I was against Gay Marriage because I thought it's existence would infringe upon my rights.

    Now I think your'e being a bit disingenuous when you describe their labels as something that's innocuous and harmless. When they apply these labels to high profile people who disagree with their agenda, it's not with the intention of causing them harm.

    It's to set an example. If you disagree with us, we'll target you and ruin your reputation, Professional or otherwise.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And for a couple of centuries homosexuals were treated as criminals and they dared not come out...much less demand that they be treated with equal rights. As such it was never brought before the courts before. Now that they have the security to come out they are bringing their case before the courts. As is proper.

    BTW: It took a couple of centuries before Loving v. Virginia to happen also. Are you going to try and use your excuse on that case as well? It would at least be consistant.....
    Until Lawrence versus Texas in 2003 actually. It has been an amazing 10 years.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    My rights aren't in question.

    I've never said I was against Gay Marriage because I thought it's existence would infringe upon my rights.

    Now I think your'e being a bit disingenuous when you describe their labels as something that's innocuous and harmless. When they apply these labels to high profile people who disagree with their agenda, it's not with the intention of causing them harm.

    It's to set an example. If you disagree with us, we'll target you and ruin your reputation, Professional or otherwise.
    I'm gay. And your whole argument hinges are your right to view, and thus label, me as a second class citizen, a deviant, and someone who is otherwise unequal to you. That is your right. But you now want to argue that Labels and words can hurt? Suck it up buddy.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Funny as in "haha"? I don't get it.
    Really? As a conservative Santorum would not have endorsed him if he knew this is the way he would rule.


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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Amandi View Post
    I can already call whatever I want to be marriage. The only thing being fought for is the legal definition. I could care less what Webster's dictionary has for the definition of marriage. All I care about is all people having the same protection under the law. They dont. Legal marriage WAS voted on at some point for it to be a law.

    Again, it is wrong for a person to be attacked and ostracized for it.

    No, the issue is NOT just about legalities.

    If that were the case then these people would have been satisfied with Civil Unions.

    No, this is activism, a coordinated attack of a age old definition that transcends Religion and cultures and races.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    My rights aren't in question.

    I've never said I was against Gay Marriage because I thought it's existence would infringe upon my rights.

    Now I think your'e being a bit disingenuous when you describe their labels as something that's innocuous and harmless. When they apply these labels to high profile people who disagree with their agenda, it's not with the intention of causing them harm.

    It's to set an example. If you disagree with us, we'll target you and ruin your reputation, Professional or otherwise.
    You are full of bullcrap! Whose rights am I attacking by trying to seek marriage for me and my partner? How would my marriage in any way change your marriage? How am I forcing you to do anything? You have taken like 4 or 5 cases that had to do with violations of antidiscrimination laws in various states and which had very little to nothing to do with same sex marriage and DELUDED yourself into believing in this country of 320 million people that represented some huge effort to persecute you and people who think like you. That is laughable and pathetic. Get real.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    How about being labeled a Bigot and a Hater because I believe the proper definition of Marriage is between a Man and Woman.

    How about those who claim to have their agenda justified on the basis of "equal rights" purposely ignoring and attacking the rights of those who may disagree with them.

    My problem with Gay marriage has always been a issue of a activist minority getting to redefine a age old definition thats transcended Culture, religion and race.

    And they're method of forcing their agenda on the rest of America.
    You are a bigot and a hater if you want to stop people from marrying because they don't fit your narrow view of marriage. Just as I would be if I tried to stop you from marrying because of your religion or race or whatever. But that has nothing to do with rights. You don't have the right to a positive reputation that you don't deserve.

    Again, what rights of yours are being attacked? You don't have the right to not have your opinions criticized.

    "Activist minority". When blacks marched for civil rights, they were an "activist minority" redefining an age old definition about races. Also, the modern view of monogamous heterosexual marriage doesn't transcend culture, religion, and race. The only age old definition that really transcend those things is the subjugation of women, and I don't think that's one we want to keep.

    "Forcing their agenda" by not allowing unconstitutional laws. That's what the courts are for. This is not usurpation of power. This is not forcing anything. This is not "nine people in robes deciding instead of the people". If they were throwing out a law you didn't like, you'd be cheering. Attacking the validity of the court system and judicial review is just a stupid argument.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    No, the issue is NOT just about legalities.

    If that were the case then these people would have been satisfied with Civil Unions.

    No, this is activism, a coordinated attack of a age old definition that transcends Religion and cultures and races.
    Wow. You are ridiculously, poorly informed. 20 states banned BOTH civil unions and same sex marriages in their state constitutions. Those civil union bans were not passed by gay rights activists. What world are you living in? Do you even know what you are debating? At least know the FACTS!
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    1.)No, the issue is NOT just about legalities.
    2.) If that were the case then these people would have been satisfied with Civil Unions.
    3.) No, this is activism, a coordinated attack of a age old definition that transcends Religion and cultures and races.
    1.) lol yes it is that why these wrongful discrimination (bannings) go to court and are found to be ILLEGAL
    2.) no civil unions are NOT equal rights so wrong again, also many s bigoted states have banned those too
    3.) sorry wrong again because none of those things have anythign to do with equal rights.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Zinthaniel View Post
    I'm gay. And your whole argument hinges are your right to view, and thus label, me as a second class citizen, a deviant, and someone who is otherwise unequal to you. That is your right. But you now want to argue that Labels and words can hurt? Suck it up buddy.
    Good for you and I could really could care less who you sleep with.

    Marriage is a fundamental Human institution that predates our Constitution and our Laws. Its based around Sociological tenants that have been in place since humans had the intelligence to form Unions with specific partners for the purpose of bearing and raising children.

    So what defines that institution ? Love ? Companionship ?

    No,because if that were the case you could conceivably be married to a Parakeet or a Cat or even a child.

    So Sex ?? No that doesn't define the institution of marriage either.

    What defines a Marriage is the ability of two people to maintain a monogamous relationship and bear children.
    To pass on their genes to their offspring.

    Your " Rights " aren't being denied and the refusal to allow Gays to be married doesn't make you a second class citizen.

    Rights are extended out to the individual not to a Couple. and you STILL have the right to get married. NO PERSON, regardless of Sexual preference has ever had the Right to marry what or whoever he or she wanted. You cant marry a child, close blood relative, someone who's already married, etc.

    Our laws govern marriage but were not the source of the definition of marriage.
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