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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Here's part of the ruling: I'd say the guy is knee deep in the marriage controversy and should have recused himself. IMHO

    I am aware that a large number of Oregonians, perhaps even a majority, have religious or moral objections to expanding the definition of civil marriage (and thereby expanding the benefits and rights that accompany marriage) to gay and lesbian families. It was' these same objections that led to the passage of Measure 36 in 2004. Generations of Americans, my own included, were raised in a world in which homosexuality was believed to be a moral perversion, a mental disorder, or a mortal sin. I remember that one of the more popular playground games of my childhood was called "smear the queer" and it was played with great zeal and without a moment's thought to today' s political correctness. On a darker level, that same worldview led to an environment of cruelty, violence, and self-loathing. It was but 1986 when the United States Supreme Court justified, on the basis of a "millennia of moral teaching," the imprisonment of gay men and lesbian women who engaged in consensual sexual acts. Bowers, 478 U.S. at 197 (Burger, C.J., concurring), overruled by Lawrence, 539 U.S. at 578. Even today I am reminded of the legacy that we have bequeathed today' s generation when my son looks dismissively at the sweater I bought him for Christmas and, with a roll of his eyes, says "dad ... that is so gay."

    It is not surprising then that many of us raised with such a world view would wish to protect our beliefs and our families by turning to the ballot box to enshrine in law those traditions we have come to value. But just as the Constitution protects the expression of these moral viewpoints, it equally protects the minority from being diminished by them.

    It is at times difficult to see past the shrillness of the debate. Accusations of religious bigotry and banners reading "God Hates Fags" make for a messy democracy and, at times, test the First Amendment resolve of both sides. At the core of the Equal Protection Clause, however, there exists a foundational belief that certain rights should be shielded from the barking crowds; that certain rights are subject to ownership by all and not the stake hold of popular trend or shifting majorities.

    My decision will not be the final word on this subject, but on this issue of marriage I am struck more by our similarities than our differences. I believe that if we can look for a moment past gender and sexuality, we can see in these plaintiffs nothing more or less than our own families. Families who we would expect our Constitution to protect, if not exalt, in equal measure. With discernment we see not shadows lurking in closets or the stereotypes of what was once believed; rather, we see families committed to the common purpose of love, devotion, and service to the greater community.

    Where will this all lead? I know that many suggest we are going down a slippery slope that will have no moral boundaries. To those who truly harbor such fears, I can only say this: Let us look less to the sky to see what might fall; rather, let us look to each other ... and rise.
    Ive read the ruling and i have posted parts of it thanks. Have you read the other many rullings. They echo this in many ways and they werent gay.
    there nothing in it that supports you

    the bolded red is all you needed to say.
    You have no support for your reasoning its just your opinion cause he is gay and nothing else.
    I agree its just your OPINION and one that cant be supported. Thanks for admitting that.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    are you telling me 3200+ judges have recently ruled that marriage is not a right and the 14th doesnt apply in america?
    please list those cases we'll wait

    your post fails again
    Nice reimagining of my posts, inaccurate and a massive fail, but creative.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    what is amazing to me is how these judges take a narrow supreme court ruling misinterprit it into something they never said and then shoot down every other law based on their misinterpritation.

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Ive read the ruling and i have posted parts of it thanks. Have you read the other many rullings. They echo this in many ways and they werent gay.
    there nothing in it that supports you

    the bolded red is all you needed to say.
    You have no support for your reasoning its just your opinion cause he is gay and nothing else.
    I agree its just your OPINION and one that cant be supported. Thanks for admitting that.
    I shouldn't have gone to the trouble of finding that. It's a complete waste of time dealing with your insolence.

    Take your "please" and shove it.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Ive read the ruling and i have posted parts of it thanks. Have you read the other many rullings. They echo this in many ways and they werent gay.
    there nothing in it that supports you

    the bolded red is all you needed to say.
    You have no support for your reasoning its just your opinion cause he is gay and nothing else.
    I agree its just your OPINION and one that cant be supported. Thanks for admitting that.
    Do you think the judge was completely impartial (which is one of the reasons for recusal)?

    Before you go ballistic on me, remember that I am pro-gay marriage (and pro-polygamist and pro-sibling marriage as well).

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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    1.)Yeah yeah.. But you cannot be pro-choice and still be for human rights..
    2.) Plus near as I can tell you do not support polygamy marriage -or- incestuous marriage.
    3.) Doesn't seem consistent to me if this is the case, unless of course you do support those other types of consensual marriage? 4.)
    As to pro human rights, well that whole pro-choice thingy kinda slaps in the face of that mantra..
    4.)And THAT is factually correct.


    Tim-
    1.) yes i know you have this opinion, its meanignless to me since nothing factually agrees with it.
    2.) false i support polygamy 100% as long as its consensual adults entering into a contract. They are free to fight for that new right and id support them. so you are wrong again and its not an equal rights issue it would be a new rights issue.
    Incestuous marriage? also would be fine with if the science says its ok. NOT YOU. science or even if science didnt support them and they were simply not allowed to have children if it was a high risk situation. The Amish in PA have a huge problem with this right now. But again I support in ways that line up with EQUAL rights. ALso many states already allow it to degrees of science/medical saftey so again i would support this new right with reason.
    3.) see here comes the dishonesty, its about EQUAL rights not just consent. another fail
    4.) as already proven, wrong again and your made up fantasies completely fail
    4.) actually, as usually, you just provide yourself wrong and destroyed your own post, I LOVE IT. thanks again!

    now do you have anything on topic or are just interested in showing how your humorous false opinions about me completely fail

    again please stay on topic. Im not the topic nor is your false and failed opinions about me. thank you
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do you believe that the actions of many of the left leaning politicians, including requiring people to buy healthcare insurance and trying to make it difficult to buy cigarettes, sweets & soda, etc. are demonstrating a desire to stay out of your life?
    I believe that anyone can call himself anything but anyone who advocates for more laws is no liberal, my opinion. Left, maybe, but a lot of what I believe is called 'right', and I'm not conflicted at all about calling myself liberal.
    That said, I don't think stores should be allowed to sell smokes to kids.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Nice reimagining of my posts, inaccurate and a massive fail, but creative.
    translation: you got no defense for your failed comment
    30+ federal judges disagree with your false assessment

    let me know when you can support it, thanks lol
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's just the thing, if you believe what you say you do, you've not been liberal all your life. Wanting government to leave you alone is not a liberal position. Unless of course you're claiming to be one of selfish liberals that are fine with the government sticking their noses in everyone else's business, as long as YOU are left alone.
    Wrong. Try again.
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    Re: Judge throws out Pennsylvania's ban on gay marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    I believe that anyone can call himself anything but anyone who advocates for more laws is no liberal, my opinion. Left, maybe, but a lot of what I believe is called 'right', and I'm not conflicted at all about calling myself liberal.
    That said, I don't think stores should be allowed to sell smokes to kids.
    I don't think kids should be allowed to buy cigs either. I was talking about adults.

    I think adults should be allowed to buy weed in stores, personally.

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