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China bans government use of Windows 8

I agree with what you said except the part about Win8 being directed at consumers and it being an attempt to get them to change the way they use their personal devices

Instead, MS has recognized that consumers have already changed the way they use their devices. Win8 was designed to help businesses change the way they use technology by making it easier for them to modify and enhance their existing applications so that they work on mobile devices.

Well, yes. I agree with you. Except MS wants people to get away from using two or three different OS's across their devices and they want their Windows OS to have the same look and feel across all those devices.

The only disappointment I have with using Win8 on my desktop...and it's more directed at monitor manufacturers...is the lack of affordable touch screen monitors. I don't have a lot of money, so I can't get a good 27" touch screen monitor for my setup. I'd love to have that, though.
 
Well, yes. I agree with you. Except MS wants people to get away from using two or three different OS's across their devices and they want their Windows OS to have the same look and feel across all those devices.

Yes, the ability to run apps on multiple platforms will benefit the consumer end of MS's sales. However, IMO the main motivation is to keep their business customers (their biggest source of revenue) from moving over to other platforms. Making it easier for businesses to extend existing apps onto mobile devices instead of having to re-write those apps to run on a new (mobile compatible) OS makes Win8 very attractive to business.

The only disappointment I have with using Win8 on my desktop...and it's more directed at monitor manufacturers...is the lack of affordable touch screen monitors. I don't have a lot of money, so I can't get a good 27" touch screen monitor for my setup. I'd love to have that, though.

True. Unless you run an app that somehow benefits from being run from a touch screen (ex Photoshop, music production, etc) there is little reason for a consumer to upgrade to Win8. MS is betting that the cost of touch enabled interfaces will drop, and given the increasing use of touch technology, it's probably a good bet
 
A patch is a translation layer most likely, that slows the already over-bloated software down even more.

I'm thinking that you don't know much about computers. Maybe that's why you are still using XP.

So it goes.
 
I'm thinking that you don't know much about computers. Maybe that's why you are still using XP.

So it goes.
I did say most likely. I'm not claiming it is that way, and it was obviously an opinion.

The way there are subroutines like spiderwebs in their OS, I can't imaging a complete rewrite being done my Microsoft. The end result I've seen over the years is the code is rarely optimized anymore, they rely on the speed of the CPU, and most people don't notice.
 
I'm thinking that you don't know much about computers. Maybe that's why you are still using XP.

So it goes.
I'm still using XP because I'm not willing to experiment with money, and it works fine for me. Does everything I need to do.

I haven't kept up with computers like I used to, but I still know more than most. I don't like the way they started changing how advanced access works starting with Vista.
 
There is very little difference between Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 update 1 when it comes to interface. What gives Windows 8.1 the edge over Windows 7, is the lower footprint and certain features that are much easier to use. For example Windows 8.1 search function is brilliant.

Now if you have a touch screen then Windows 8.1 comes into its own, there is no doubt about that, but calling it a failure on the desktop and hence business scene is beyond idiotic with the changes they have made since launch. The real issue are people who are stuck in their ways or believe the idiotic pro Apple reviewers that slaughtered Windows 8 but have said little about 8.1 update 1.... because most of the issues that people complained about at the release have actually been fixed. And the next update will bring back the start menu in the sameish format as Windows 7, but with interactive tiles... but I doubt that would shut up the anti-Windows people in the press.

I mean how can Microsoft or anyone compete against the Cult of Apple, when yesterday at the Surface Pro 3 launch event, 96% of the journalists were there with their MacBook Airs/Pros and iPads in their bags... and that some of them were already posting negative comments about the Surface Pro 3 before they had even tested it? That they before having it in their hands say that the MacBook Air is the best of the two? Damn hard to fight against such brainwashed minions and that spreads some what to the general population who read this drivel and actually believe it.

I have clients who refuse to have Windows 8.. so I ask them if they have tried it.. and they say no. Then how on earth can they be so against Windows 8 if they have not tried it? Because they had heard bad things about it... the ignorance is massive out there.

But this China crap is actually funny as hell. The reason that it is a security issue.. .. not that Windows 8 is insecure, but that it is so secure that installing spyware and malware to view what your people are doing, is hard as hell on a Windows 8 machine because of the built in security. Now with Windows XP it is very easy.
 
I'm still using XP because I'm not willing to experiment with money, and it works fine for me. Does everything I need to do.

I haven't kept up with computers like I used to, but I still know more than most. I don't like the way they started changing how advanced access works starting with Vista.

Exactly.

Perhaps China could change Microsoft's mind and would re-support XP again.
 
I did say most likely. I'm not claiming it is that way, and it was obviously an opinion.

The way there are subroutines like spiderwebs in their OS, I can't imaging a complete rewrite being done my Microsoft. The end result I've seen over the years is the code is rarely optimized anymore, they rely on the speed of the CPU, and most people don't notice.

If you knew about computers, you'd know that it's not "most likely" and that while complete re-writes are rarely done, consecutive partial re-writes lead to old code being eventually discarded for code that is most definitely optimized for the chips the OS runs on.
 
Well, I'm going to pretty much dismiss everything in your post because I'm thinking that no matter how much truth and logic I present, you won't change your mind. It's made up. shrug... That's fine for you.
There is no truth or logic one can present which will make Windows 8 a good product. It's crap. Everyone knows it is crap. I deal with it on a regular basis. It's awful. And when Microsoft tells you they will no longer support your product unless you run an update you cannot run, then there can be no disputing the awful quality of the OS.

But I will address two things you said:

1. Problems getting patches.

I've had no problems getting patches or upgrades to my Win8x OS. I simply read and follow instructions...run the procedure...and BANG!...it's done. Easy, painfree and it works. I'm thinking these "pages and pages of forum complaints" are from a combination of diehard Winh8ters, Apple fanboys jumping on the Winh8t bandwagon and idiots who should probably spend their money on Apple products so they don't have to think about what they are doing.
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Or it's people who try to update their software and don't see it in the Store and don't know how to restart the wuauserv service. Or they do see it in the store and one driver is incompatible with 8.1 and the upgrade process goes through the entire download and install, only to say "Sorry, we can't install" without providing any reason why before restoring to Windows 8. Your logic here is asinine. There are sometimes hundreds of pages on Microsoft's forum dedicated to problem updates. Microsoft has numerous "help" articles to provide insight into why the update isn't working. These are not Microsoft haters, these are people who are simply trying to update a system which doesn't update.

I don't know if you're a paid shill or you simply don't understand what a good operating system looks like, but you clearly are not qualified to speak on the quality of Windows 8, especially if you're going to dismiss hundreds of complaints based on your personal anecdotal evidence.

2. In 10 years it won't be Win8.

That is true. And in 10 years, it won't be Win9, either. But whatever the latest OS is then, it will be the direct descendant of Win8. It'll have remnants of Win7, Win8, Win9...and newer features and capabilities that those others don't have right now.
I think you have forgotten what you said. You said that in 10 years, more people will be using Win 8 than Win 7. I'm telling you that is false, just like it would be false to say more people are using Vista than XP.
I am speaking from my experiences with Windows 8. If you are having problems, address them.
And I'm speaking from my experiences with Windows 8, as well as the experiences many many people have had with Windows 8, as evidenced by the plethora of complaints around the Internet of things which don't work well or at all.
 
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I mean how can Microsoft or anyone compete against the Cult of Apple, when yesterday at the Surface Pro 3 launch event, 96% of the journalists were there with their MacBook Airs/Pros and iPads in their bags... and that some of them were already posting negative comments about the Surface Pro 3 before they had even tested it? That they before having it in their hands say that the MacBook Air is the best of the two? Damn hard to fight against such brainwashed minions and that spreads some what to the general population who read this drivel and actually believe it.

Say it ain't so...MEDIA BIAS?
 
And I'm speaking from my experiences with Windows 8, as well as the experiences many many people have had with Windows 8, as evidenced by the plethora of complaints around the Internet of things which don't work well or at all.

You can find a plethora of complaints about just about anything on the internet. If we are using complaints online as the bases for whether or not something is good then I suppose everything is crap.
 
You can find a plethora of complaints about just about anything on the internet. If we are using complaints online as the bases for whether or not something is good then I suppose everything is crap.

Seems to me people complain about any and all Microsoft products, repeat something they heard, and try to sound like some sort of an expert. Then, you actually use the product, and I think, what are these people talking about? I swear, if I had a tenth of the problems that people say exist with these products, I'd get nothing done at all.
 
There is no truth or logic one can present which will make Windows 8 a good product. It's crap. Everyone knows it is crap. I deal with it on a regular basis. It's awful. And when Microsoft tells you they will no longer support your product unless you run an update you cannot run, then there can be no disputing the awful quality of the OS.

Here's a tip for all the readers here: When someone says "Everyone knows blah, blah, blah." it is a certainty that the person saying that doesn't know a damned thing.

:lamo

Or it's people who try to update their software and don't see it in the Store and don't know how to restart the wuauserv service. Or they do see it in the store and one driver is incompatible with 8.1 and the upgrade process goes through the entire download and install, only to say "Sorry, we can't install" without providing any reason why before restoring to Windows 8. Your logic here is asinine. There are sometimes hundreds of pages on Microsoft's forum dedicated to problem updates. Microsoft has numerous "help" articles to provide insight into why the update isn't working. These are not Microsoft haters, these are people who are simply trying to update a system which doesn't update.

As I said...read...follow instructions...it just works. These people you are talking about sound like they belong in that third category that I spoke of. Apple wants their money. They should give it to them.

I don't know if you're a paid shill or you simply don't understand what a good operating system looks like, but you clearly are not qualified to speak on the quality of Windows 8, especially if you're going to dismiss hundreds of complaints based on your personal anecdotal evidence.

LOL!! The last refuge of one who has nothing: Accuse the other of being a paid shill. Sounds to me like I have more on the ball than those "hundreds" of complainers. I don't seem to have the problems they have and I'm using the same OS they are having trouble with. I'm thinking the trouble with Win8 originates between those people's ears.

I think you have forgotten what you said. You said that in 10 years, more people will be using Win 8 than Win 7. I'm telling you that is false, just like it would be false to say more people are using Vista than XP.

I know exactly what I've said and I stand by my prediction...and my correction. Especially since Win7 will reach it's end of life within that 10 years. Or do you think it's going to last forever? Like those who are using XP? LOL!!
 
I am still rocking XP for a couple of my computers. I like it far more than 7 or 8.

Unwise. Microsoft has dropped support for XP, so future security exploits aren't going to get patched. If you continue to use XP, I'd advise against doing anything sensitive on the machine.
 
Unwise. Microsoft has dropped support for XP, so future security exploits aren't going to get patched. If you continue to use XP, I'd advise against doing anything sensitive on the machine.

I draw engineered plans and play video games. Shouldn't be an issue.
 
I draw engineered plans and play video games. Shouldn't be an issue.

I still have it as a duel boot on one of my computers, once in a while I boot it up just for the heck of it, and sometimes for a couple of older games that won't run on anything else.
 
Seems to me people complain about any and all Microsoft products, repeat something they heard, and try to sound like some sort of an expert. Then, you actually use the product, and I think, what are these people talking about? I swear, if I had a tenth of the problems that people say exist with these products, I'd get nothing done at all.

It seems to me Windows 8 is different than Windows 7. The majority of complaints are simply that or user errors. I know nothing is perfect and some people have had issues, but the same can be said for anything.
 
It seems to me Windows 8 is different than Windows 7. The majority of complaints are simply that or user errors. I know nothing is perfect and some people have had issues, but the same can be said for anything.

I liked Win 7 very much, but I was able to get a copy of Win 8 from Microsoft as a promotion, so I used that. It was already at 8.1 at that time. I'm sure the tiles are great on a tablet or Windows phone, but I have no use for them and just boot to the desktop. But yes, 99% of the complaints I hear are because it is different, not that it doesn't work. Works fine for me.
 
You can find a plethora of complaints about just about anything on the internet.
The complaints about Windows 8 are far different, and you know it. And if you don't know it, take it from someone who regularly has to do research on the Internet to fix various computer and operating system failures.

Here's just a taste of the nightmare which has been Windows 8.

Microsoft acknowledges more errors, 80070371 and 80071A91, when installing Windows 8.1 Update/KB 2919355 | Microsoft windows - InfoWorld

Here's a tip for all the readers here: When someone says "Everyone knows blah, blah, blah." it is a certainty that the person saying that doesn't know a damned thing.
Or they are simply stating common knowledge that some people refuse to acknowledge.

In this case, it's what I said. And for those "readers", here's some evidence:

Microsoft acknowledges more errors, 80070371 and 80071A91, when installing Windows 8.1 Update/KB 2919355 | Microsoft windows - InfoWorld
Microsoft pulls Windows 8.1 Update 1 from WSUS | bit-tech.net
Windows 8.1 Update 1 Failing to Install with errors 80070020, 80073712 - Microsoft Community (103 pages in less than two months)
Troubleshoot problems with installing updates - Microsoft Windows Help
Why can't I find the update in the Store? - Microsoft Windows Help

Windows 8 and 8.1 have sucked, in numerous and various ways. And if everyone DIDN'T know it before, they have plenty of evidence now.

As I said...read...follow instructions...it just works.
No, no it does not. There are a plethora of reasons it doesn't work.
These people you are talking about sound like they belong in that third category that I spoke of. Apple wants their money. They should give it to them.
We refuse to use Apple products in our environment (to the point we don't even allow them to connect to our network). But we also install Zenworks on our machines and while we can't be sure (since there are no error messages telling us the problem), we think a driver installed by Zenworks prevents an update to 8.1 from 8. That's just one example. Other examples can include:

Troubleshoot problems with installing updates - Microsoft Windows Help
Why can't I find the update in the Store? - Microsoft Windows Help
Microsoft reissues botched Windows 8.1 Update KB 2919355 | Microsoft windows - InfoWorld
Microsoft offers two Windows 8.1 Update install fixes, but problems remain - Neowin
How users are fixing Windows 8.1 Update install problems
Fix: Windows 8.1 Update fails to install
[Fix] “Your Windows 8.1 Install Couldn’t be Completed, Something Happened” Error Message - AskVG

But hey, your one computer worked, so clearly no one else would ever have a problem. What a joke.

LOL!! The last refuge of one who has nothing: Accuse the other of being a paid shill.
Uhh, I also said you could just be clueless. But yeah, your posting definitely suggests one or the other, given the copious amount of evidence you ignore to continue stating ridiculous things. Very few people would ignore mountains of evidence by insisting on one personal anecdote, unless they were ignorant to a good OS or had an agenda.

Sounds to me like I have more on the ball than those "hundreds" of complainers.
:lamo

These are people who maintain and repair computers for a living. You're not more on the ball.

I don't seem to have the problems they have and I'm using the same OS they are having trouble with. I'm thinking the trouble with Win8 originates between those people's ears.
I'm thinking you've never once done anything but make asinine statements to explain the legitimate problems people have, problems even Microsoft themselves have acknowledged.

Microsoft pulls Windows 8.1 Update 1 from WSUS | bit-tech.net

Microsoft is having to pull patches from WSUS servers because they are terrible. And yet you'll sit there and tell me everything has been fine? It's ridiculous.

I know exactly what I've said and I stand by my prediction...and my correction.
Which is it? Because they are not the same thing.

Windows 8 will not have a larger market share than Windows 7. Windows 9 may eventually, but Windows 8 will not (absent a refusal by Microsoft to increase their major version number, which I doubt given the bad press surrounding W8). You can stand by your prediction, but much like your obvious lack of knowledge regarding Windows 8, you'll be wrong.

Especially since Win7 will reach it's end of life within that 10 years.
Windows XP was released over a decade ago and still had a larger share of the market than Windows 8 until just five months ago. And it probably still would have a larger market share had Microsoft not told everyone for two years it wouldn't be supported any more.
Or do you think it's going to last forever? Like those who are using XP? LOL!!
Windows 7 won't last forever and eventually another OS will replace it at the top. But it won't be Windows 8. Because Windows 8 is awful and anyone who has ever had to work with it or done research on it knows it.
 
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We refuse to use Apple products in our environment (to the point we don't even allow them to connect to our network). But we also install Zenworks on our machines and while we can't be sure (since there are no error messages telling us the problem), we think a driver installed by Zenworks prevents an update to 8.1 from 8. That's just one example.

So interesting you mentioned that. We restructured our network and it was working fine until a few iPhones connected to it. We researched the issue and it was the Apple products causing issues. We are currently discussing banning Apple products from the network.
 
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