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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    I've been working in the industry for 14 years now and got started supporting the Win98-->XP transition. This all sounds so familiar to me. "Why' are they dropping Windows 98? XP is too slow and buggy!"

    People seem to forget how long it took to make XP the OS that everyone loves today.

    I wonder how many of the XP users here use the 64bit version? I wonder if the 32bit folks realize how much of their ram is being wasted by the asinine way 32bit XP addresses ram?

    I wonder if they have just gotten used to the hard drive churning all the time, non stop, because of the way XP treats pagefiles (answer: like a baby treats a diaper)? I wonder how often they defragment their hard drive and other archaic "fixes" to resolve XP's shortcomings?

    I wonder how many XP users just take it for granted that you need to reinstall XP every year and a half to flush the myriad untraceable crap that XP writes to the registry and hard drive and then seems to forget?

    How old are the peripherals plugged into the XP desktop? Don't expect to find drivers online.

    I will grant that if anyone is planning on installing Windows 7 or 8 on a system that they bought with XP installed then they are going to have bad times. The XP OS is 13 years old! It is as polished as it can get and it is still problematic in a number of ways.

    I'm betting the autocad issue mentioned here has more to do with an old copy of autocad than a new OS.

    Also, for the clingers, try the free Virtual PC for windows 8 and install your precious XP in a virtual environment or, better yet, P2V your existing machine to the Windows 8 Virtual PC and have a fully portable copy of XP that you can move from PC to PC as you upgrade.

    If Windows 8 is too much change for you, at least upgrade to a Windows 7 machine and P2V your old decrepit system to it.
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

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    You've also claimed hundreds of complaints by people who repair computers for a living don't know as much as you because your one anecdote.

    That's what I'm talking about.
    My one anecdote? Are you talking about my screenshot? That wasn't an anecdote. That was direct proof a particular "expert" was full of crap.

    You could have spent half that amount and not upgraded for 5 years. I spent $850 on my last computer in 2008 (bought it from Staples, surprisingly) and it still rocks quite well.
    LOL!! I doubt that store-bought computer you bought in 2008 will run Crysis3, Battlefield4, Metro 2033 or any other high system demanding game at max settings...and be even remotely playable. Mine will.

    I'm still not seeing how that cost you $3500. Or maybe I should say WHY it cost you $3500. I think someone took you for a ride.

    Let's say a top notch graphics card is roughly $300. Two of them is $600. 16 GB of RAM ought to run about $200. Figure a dollar per GB for the SSD and you're at a total of $1050. Another $175 for your two hard drives. $350 for the processor (which would be one of the best processors available). That puts us at $1575.

    I'm not sure how your case, cooling and power supply cost you $2000.

    I'm not really questioning your number so much as I am thinking you might have gotten taken for more than you should have paid, especially for what your likely needs are.
    A "top notch" graphics card is roughly $300?? Is that a joke? When I built my system, I bought two of the BEST graphics cards available and they had just been released. The GTX 680. I even had to wait a bit to get them because they were in short supply at the time. They cost me $500 each.

    $350 for the processor? Again...don't make me laugh. This is what I got...and it wasn't even top of the line a year and a half ago when I built my system, but it's much better than your "$350 processor". https://www.google.com/shopping/prod...&ved=0CMIBELkk

    Heck, my motherboard cost me more than what you say a top notch graphics card should cost.

    But then, coming from someone who thinks an $850 store-bought computer "rocks", I can see how you think I spent too much money. As someone who knows a bit about computers and components, I'll have to disagree with you.
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    1. I did show evidence your expert is full of crap...a screenshot that directly contradicts his statement. Who cares if he is highly quoted if what he says is wrong?

    2. You didn't say why your CAD software wasn't working. You only said it works with XP, but not with Win8. Cool...that means your software doesn't work with Win8. It DOESN'T mean that Win8 is not working.

    3. You can offer all the opinions of incorrect idiots that you want. That only means you are an idiot for accepting their word for things they are wrong about. I don't accept erroneous crap from people. shrug...
    Once again, you posted without substance.
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh...there is another alternative for the average user. One that doesn't require the added expense of running a server version on their desktop and that saves them the time and effort of tilting at windmills (complaining to MS). They only need to run Win8 in desktop mode. They never have to see the tiled interface if they don't want to.

    In regard to MS Office, I agree. I use LibreOffice, myself. Saves me money.
    Then perhaps you can help me. When Windows 8 arrived I put it on two of my computers. I was able to do what you suggest by putting in a third party Win7 type start button. When the systems upgraded automatically one night to Win 8.1 I was never able to use the start button again. MS replaced it with a start button that goes straight to the tile factory. Do you have a third party product that actually allows you to use Win 8.1 completely in desktop mode. If you do, let me know. I have my credit card ready.

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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Once again, you posted without substance.
    LOL!!!

    Without substance?? What more substance do you need besides an actual screenshot that proves your expert is full of crap?
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    It shows that China's government isn't as incompetent as our current government.

    If Obama were to outlaw Windows 8, he could go down in history as a competent POTUS who put America before Wall Street.

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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Then perhaps you can help me. When Windows 8 arrived I put it on two of my computers. I was able to do what you suggest by putting in a third party Win7 type start button. When the systems upgraded automatically one night to Win 8.1 I was never able to use the start button again. MS replaced it with a start button that goes straight to the tile factory. Do you have a third party product that actually allows you to use Win 8.1 completely in desktop mode. If you do, let me know. I have my credit card ready.
    First of all, I don't suggest anyone install a 3rd party program...not even to get the start button. But if you really cannot live with out that thing, it's your choice to do so. You might consider that a little later this year MS will be releasing it's Update 2 that is expected to include a fully functioning start button. I posted a picture of it earlier in this thread.

    Second of all, I don't think it's the fault of MS that 3rd party programs stop working when MS releases an upgrade. That often happens...especially with drivers. If you paid for that 3rd party program to get the start button, I'm guessing they upgraded their program when it stopped working. I think they should provide that upgrade to you free of charge.

    Third...I didn't use the start button in Win7 so I have no need for it in Win8. Sorry, but I haven't looked at any of those 3rd party programs. I can give you this link from a very credible source who did a review of a bunch of those programs. Best Windows 8 Start Menu | Maximum PC

    I hope this helps.

    Oh...I should mention that if all you want to do is to boot directly to the desktop, it's very easy to do with Win8.1. See this link: http://www.7tutorials.com/how-boot-d...p-start-screen

    I should also mention that Win8.1 Update 1 sets booting to desktop as the default action if you are using a PC. If you haven't installed Update 1 yet, you should.
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    My one anecdote? Are you talking about my screenshot?
    No, I am not. How can you hope to converse if you cannot even remember what's being said?

    LOL!! I doubt that store-bought computer you bought in 2008 will run Crysis3, Battlefield4, Metro 2033 or any other high system demanding game at max settings...and be even remotely playable. Mine will.
    That's.....great? At max settings? No, but you don't seem to understand my point. I paid $850 for a system which COULD play the top of the line games of the time. You paid $3500. Do you get it now?

    A "top notch" graphics card is roughly $300?? Is that a joke?
    No, it's based on pricing that I've done for a year now. Here, you can see for yourself:

    PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

    $310 for GeForce GTX 770.

    When I built my system, I bought two of the BEST graphics cards available and they had just been released. The GTX 680. I even had to wait a bit to get them because they were in short supply at the time. They cost me $500 each.
    Okay, add an extra $400 to your total and you're still paying $1600 for the other things.

    $350 for the processor? Again...don't make me laugh. This is what I got...and it wasn't even top of the line a year and a half ago when I built my system, but it's much better than your "$350 processor". https://www.google.com/shopping/prod...&ved=0CMIBELkk
    An i7-4770k processor costs $340 on Newegg. It performs at roughly the same level as the one you apparently spent $250 more dollars on.

    Intel Core i7-4770K - Newegg.com
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    Like I said, it seems as if you got taken.

    Heck, my motherboard cost me more than what you say a top notch graphics card should cost.
    Again, you're just kind of proving what I said last time.

    But then, coming from someone who thinks an $850 store-bought computer "rocks"
    It does. And since you have no idea what my desktop computer has, your comment is not only ignorant, but funny.

    I can see how you think I spent too much money.
    Good, because it seems obvious that you did.

    As someone who knows a bit about computers and components, I'll have to disagree with you.
    But you don't seem to know a bit about computers or components. You seem to know a bit about paying a lot of money. But you don't seem to know quality operating systems and you don't seem to know how to shop for hardware.

    And you did all of this because you wanted to play a video game at max settings? Is that correct? I mean, I understand everyone values different things differently, but I just cannot understand spending that much money just to play a game. But, to each their own, I suppose.

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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    No, I am not. How can you hope to converse if you cannot even remember what's being said?

    That's.....great? At max settings? No, but you don't seem to understand my point. I paid $850 for a system which COULD play the top of the line games of the time. You paid $3500. Do you get it now?

    No, it's based on pricing that I've done for a year now. Here, you can see for yourself:

    PassMark Software - Video Card Benchmarks - High End Video Cards

    $310 for GeForce GTX 770.

    Okay, add an extra $400 to your total and you're still paying $1600 for the other things.


    An i7-4770k processor costs $340 on Newegg. It performs at roughly the same level as the one you apparently spent $250 more dollars on.

    Intel Core i7-4770K - Newegg.com
    PassMark - CPU Benchmarks - List of Benchmarked CPUs

    Like I said, it seems as if you got taken.

    Again, you're just kind of proving what I said last time.

    It does. And since you have no idea what my desktop computer has, your comment is not only ignorant, but funny.

    Good, because it seems obvious that you did.

    But you don't seem to know a bit about computers or components. You seem to know a bit about paying a lot of money. But you don't seem to know quality operating systems and you don't seem to know how to shop for hardware.

    And you did all of this because you wanted to play a video game at max settings? Is that correct? I mean, I understand everyone values different things differently, but I just cannot understand spending that much money just to play a game. But, to each their own, I suppose.
    A year and a half ago, the 770 and the 4770K were not available. That means your opinion of what I spent then compared to what can be spent now is akin to comparing apples to oranges.

    Now...just because you are willing to spend a minute amount of money to play a game at inferior graphics settings doesn't mean I spent too much money to play a game at it's top graphics settings. It just means that you are willing to settle for inferior graphics. I'm not. Also, I'll be able to keep my graphics settings maxed out for quite some time to come, while you will be constantly lowering your graphics settings as newer games will require you to do.

    The rest of your post is inconsequential blather that doesn't deserve comment except your last statement, which I agree with: To each their own.

    btw, you are out of your mind when you say that the 4770K is roughly the same as my processor. They are grossly different...including the kind of socket each one requires.

    http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_look...3.20GHz&id=902
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    That's good.

    One suggestion, though: When you are running XP to use those programs, don't connect your computer to the internet.
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