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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

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    Interface is everything when it comes to an operating system. That is what the last 25 years of computer operating systems have been about. If the interface doesn't work, the product doesn't work.
    Your statement is false.

    My VIC-20's interface was nothing like Windows, yet that little dynamo of a computer worked very well and Commodore made a lot of money from it. They did even better with the Commodore 64.

    Perhaps more people should look beyond the interface when they judge an OS, eh?
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Interface is what operating systems have been developing since DOS. Not to mention, Win 9 comes out next year. They are openly saying they are moving away from Win 8.

    No, the user interface is just one many functions an OS is responsible for. Other responsibilities include device handling, memory management, program execution and interrupt handling, networking and security.


    Looks like a cute little video and I like the organ music at the beginning, but I suspect there are better sources of information about the function of OS software than an article written by a freelance (ie unemployed) journalist with a YouTube acct looking into which OS best suits the needs of a journalist
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Your statement is false.

    My VIC-20's interface was nothing like Windows, yet that little dynamo of a computer worked very well and Commodore made a lot of money from it. They did even better with the Commodore 64.

    Perhaps more people should look beyond the interface when they judge an OS, eh?
    If you have a car we a steering wheel under your seat...not real useful right? May fun great, but you can't use it effectively. Interface is everything in the OS system world.
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, the user interface is just one many functions an OS is responsible for. Other responsibilities include device handling, memory management, program execution and interrupt handling, networking and security.
    You went through that video quickly. You are not listening, just talking. Thanks for the time Sangha.
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    You went through that video quickly. You are not listening, just talking. Thanks for the time Sangha.
    IS the video not about the journalists evaluation of how suitable the UI's of various OS's are for the purposes that a journalist uses a computer for?

    An evaluation of UI's does not support your claim that UI's are the most important part of an OS. It is nothing more than "some guy on the internet" rendering his opinion on which UI he likes the most
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    If you have a car we a steering wheel under your seat...not real useful right? May fun great, but you can't use it effectively. Interface is everything in the OS system world.
    I've seen that video before. The guy is an idiot. You really shouldn't use his buzzwords (the steering wheel thing). It makes you look like an idiot, as well.

    In any event, the tile interface of Win8 works very well, though I'll grant that it works differently than the traditional desktop. An Android phone or tablet interface is different, too, but people don't seem to have a problem learning to use it. But, as I said, if you don't want to use the tile interface, you don't have to. That traditional desktop is still there and the improvements that MS made to Win7 (I'm talking about the actual OS...not the interface) makes Win8 a better OS.
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    If you don't like the interface, you don't like the interface. Cosmetics are a huge issue with Win8.
    That's part of the issue. One of the things users of previous MS OSes could count upon was Classic View and the ability to customize every element of the OS to display and operate the way the user is most comfortable. Starting with win 7 MS began to disable that, near complete in win8.

    That's always been Apple's problem. You had to use the computer the way Jobs thought you should. Now MS has jumped aboard that train.

    It's entirely unusable for business because users have to be retrained from OS version to OS version, unlike in previous MS OSes.

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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's part of the issue. One of the things users of previous MS OSes could count upon was Classic View and the ability to customize every element of the OS to display and operate the way the user is most comfortable. Starting with win 7 MS began to disable that, near complete in win8.
    All that says is that the UI is different and that you (and others) don't like it. It doesn't mean that it doesn't work

    That's always been Apple's problem. You had to use the computer the way Jobs thought you should. Now MS has jumped aboard that train.

    It's entirely unusable for business because users have to be retrained from OS version to OS version, unlike in previous MS OSes.
    Employees have constantly had to learn how to use new versions of Windows (and apps) and it has never rendered any version "unusable for business"
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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The fact that Win8 runs on mobile devices is a huge improvement by itself, not withstanding the many other enhancements that come along with Win8. Your claim is absolute rubbish.
    Again you're spewing nonsense. That it runs on mobile devices is not an enhancement to the OS. And no, the other changes aren't enhancements either, they are restrictions.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The people who run large corps don't care if their employees have to click somewhere else to run something or learn a new file system. And as far as a "Windows standard" being set, nothing could be further from the truth. MS has no interest in setting any OS standard. They want to keep updating the OS so they can keep selling new products.
    Just saying that proves you haven't a clue. The reason business doesn't upgrade as quickly to new versions is almost entirely down to the costs of retraining. They certainly DO want a standard. Worker productivity is affected when the worker who could easily find what they were doing on every previous MS OS, now has to hunt the web to find where MS decided to hide everything.

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    Re: China bans government use of Windows 8

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I've seen that video before. The guy is an idiot. You really shouldn't use his buzzwords (the steering wheel thing). It makes you look like an idiot, as well.

    In any event, the tile interface of Win8 works very well, though I'll grant that it works differently than the traditional desktop. An Android phone or tablet interface is different, too, but people don't seem to have a problem learning to use it. But, as I said, if you don't want to use the tile interface, you don't have to. That traditional desktop is still there and the improvements that MS made to Win7 (I'm talking about the actual OS...not the interface) makes Win8 a better OS.
    Steering wheel is a buzzword? Ok, that makes you sound like an idiot.

    It is not a traditional desktop. It is a blank window. Where do you go to launch 90% of your programs? The Start button. Doesn't exist. It seems silly. Anyways, people smarter than I in this field say:

    Useability expert Raluca Budiu of the Nielsen Norman Group said, "Windows 8 is optimized for content consumption rather than content production and multitasking. Whereas content consumption can easily be done on other media (tablets and phones), production and multitasking are still best suited for PCs. Windows 8 appears to ignore that."

    Jakob Neilsen, "One of the worst aspects of Windows 8 for power users is that the product's very name has become a misnomer. "Windows" no longer supports multiple windows on the screen. Win8 does have an option to temporarily show a second area in a small part of the screen, but none of our test users were able to make this work. Also, the main UI restricts users to a single window, so the product ought to be renamed 'Microsoft Window.'"
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