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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I believe the business owner has 1st Amendment rights that protect his moral conscience. If he believes providing a service for A. B. or C violates that conscience, he has a right to deny such service. And the person seeking such a service needs to move on to find one who will accommodate them. Period. There is legislation currently pending to protect the 1st Amendment rights of All not just a few.
    Does this include rejecting a states food safety laws in my restaurant because I believe all illness is the will of god?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You know this is an afterthought, but recently in the polls there is a real possibility that true blue Oregon may be turning purple. After the fiasco over Obamacare in that state Republicans have been really gaining ground. I know some may find this hard to believe but its places like Portland and vicinity and a couple of heavily populated college towns that tend to make Oregon so blue. The rest of the state especially to the South around Medford aren't going to be happy at all with this new ruling by this federal judge and the possibility of ole Oregon electing a Republican Senator this mid-term has probably become more of a reality than ever.
    Once again, Oregon is not now and never has been solid blue/dem. We've had plenty of repub senators (the newbie Merkly is in trouble from the GOP runners) and you're darn right folks here are pissed about it (this idiot's decision). When the pendulum swings, it's gonna swing hard.

    This Obama appointed judge, McShane, is at the heart of this new playbook for the judiciary. Impeach his ass and things will settle down.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Does this include rejecting a states food safety laws in my restaurant because I believe all illness is the will of god?
    Sure, hang a prominent sign saying that's what you're doing and you're on your own. Wouldn't say much for your business prospects at that point though.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Once again, Oregon is not now and never has been solid blue/dem. We've had plenty of repub senators (the newbie Merkly is in trouble from the GOP runners) and you're darn right folks here are pissed about it. When the pendulum swings, it's gonna swing hard.

    This Obama appointed judge, McShane, is at the heart of this new playbook for the judiciary. Impeach his ass and things will settle down.
    Impeach him for doing his job? Interesting reponse. They did that in Iowa, and nothing changed. Sooner or later everyone needs to accept that these bans won't hold legally.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Impeach him for doing his job? Interesting reponse. They did that in Iowa, and nothing changed. Sooner or later everyone needs to accept that these bans won't hold legally.
    He's not doing his job, he's doing the job Obama appointed him to do - they're not the same thing. And no, they didn't impeach a federal judge in Iowa. The SCOTUS has yet to ring in on that last. This pissant McShane is trying to stack the deck against the people for when SCOTUS finally takes the case.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    He's not doing his job, he's doing the job Obama appointed him to do - they're not the same thing. And no, they didn't impeach a federal judge in Iowa. The SCOTUS has yet to ring in on that last. This pissant McShane is trying to stack the deck against the people for when SCOTUS finally takes the case.
    That's wild supposition. This would imply that all judges around the country are in a conspiracy. It seems more like sour grapes on your end.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    It falls under the 10th Amendments power of the state to regulate commerce not beliefs.

    Public Accommodation laws have been upheld by the SCOTUS and State Supreme Courts as a proper regulation of commerce when the laws have general applicability and do not target specific religious beliefs.

    Public Accommodation laws have general applicability and require that business practices (actions, not belief) are subject to the rule of law and that equal qoods and service must be provide and cannot be denied in whole (or in part) based on race, religion, sex, national origin and in some state martial status, veteran's status, sexual orientation.


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    No business is forced to provide goods and services they don't normally provide. If a florist, baker, or photographer doesn't want to offer services to weddings - they are not required to, they can decline such commissions as long as they do it equally. The other side of that coin is that if they voluntarily decide to offer such services then they cannot discriminate against customers based on conditions outline in that States Public Accommodation law.



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    The 10th amendment does not give anyone the right to force another individual/group, participating in commerce or not, to suspend their religious beliefs and violate their religious views.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Would you please show me where in the Bible that homosexuals are any worse than, say, atheists or those who believe in different gods? Would those people who refused to sell wedding flowers to a gay couple have refused to sell flowers to an atheist couple? Or to a Buddhist or Islamic couple? Or, what about to a couple that belonged to a different "Christian" denomination that the couple's religion said would not be saved, say, if they were Baptist and the couple was Mormon? If the business would not refuse to sell flowers to the atheists or Islamists or different "Christian" denomination, then they are hypocrites, and deserving of zero sympathy.
    It does not matter if I can prove to you their beliefs. All that matters is that they believe it. Whether it is hypocritical or not is not germane to the discussion.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    At the same time you'll claim defining marriage is a state right, but defining characteristics for anti discrimination laws isn't?
    I've never said that. In fact, if you go to my DP blog, you'll see that I have always advocated the elimination of marriage from government control.

    Health codes violate my religion because I believe all illnesses are the will of god. Can I run a restaurant that holds out to the public?
    Pssst....Deuce....your fallacy is showing.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No they won't. No one has to marry one. No religion has to marry any one. And a florist isn't in the business of approving or not approving weddings. Their rights are not at all violated.
    Ok, then you won't mind speaking at KKK rally and delivering the key not address in favor of their organization.

    *yes, I know it is a fallacy. I'm just trying to make a point*
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