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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Correct but no state has a law protecting known racists from discrimination
    When state accommodation laws trump state constitutions because state offficials in charge did not uphold their constitution allowing an activist judge who happened to be gay overturn a state ban on gay marriage and made his ruling personal, there is something seriously wrong.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    When state accommodation laws trump state constitutions because state offficials in charge did not uphold their constitution allowing an activist judge who happened to be gay overturn a state ban on gay marriage and made his ruling personal, there is something seriously wrong.
    IOW, you were proven wrong about being required to serve the KKK, you jumped to being required to serve "known racists" . When that was proven wrong, you jump to another type of blather.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Washington Florist Who Refused Gay Wedding Job Says She 'Had To Take A Stand'

    Supreme Court won't hear case on gay wedding snub

    When these marriages become legal, they are used to force people to violate their religious beliefs and face damnation or persecution
    Those so-called 'devout' people violate their own religious beliefs on a daily basis. Religious bigots are usually huge hypocrites cherry-picking whatever they want to follow or not follow from the Bible.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm sure it is easily found by doing a seach on House bills passed. It doesn't matter what color you are, what faith you hold or if you walk on one leg or have none. If what a person requests of a business owner violates his moral conscience he should have a right to deny that service. A printer who finds printing flyers for the next upcoming meeting of NAMBLA members to be offensive has a right to deny them that service. If a man of faith is faced with printing material that depicts his God as some monster or heinous joke, he has a right to deny his services to that person. If a Jewish business owner of a catering service was hired to prepare kosher dishes for an event and found out he would have to share the kitchen with those preparing shrimp and pulled pork, he has a right to deny his services. If a Muslim business owner was asked to provide services to a group that didn't want his female workers showing up in traditional headdress, has a right to deny that person his services. If a person of faith believes the union of homosexuals to be a sin, has a right to deny any service that is part of that union.
    Try doing some research on 'protected class'. You don't seem to understand anti-discrimination law.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Forget the KKK all it takes is a white man who is known to hate black people and targets a black caterer for services according to you can not be denied.
    If the basis for refusal is race, then that would be true - it is illegal.


    However is such a claim is made against a black caterer, then all that caterer needs to do is bring in affidavits or as witnesses white customers that exhibit the full range of goods and services offered. At which point it can be shown that the decision not to provide service WAS NOT based on race but based on an individual being an asshole (another condition not covered under Public Accommodation laws).

    At which point the Judge would dismiss the charges and award attorney's fee to the defendant paid by the claimant.



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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And again the point is it doesn't take a membership to a supremacist group for a known white racist to target a black business owner for services just like the gay couple targeted Christian bakers they knew did not do wedding cakes for same sex ceremonies.

    There was no evidence presented at court in either the Sweetcakes by Mellisa or Masterpiece Cakes cases (the recent ones involving bakeries) that there was any attempt to "target" those establishment.

    No evidence was presented either that those businesses advertised their wedding services as being for different-sex couples only.




    Please stop making up stuff.



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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And again the point is it doesn't take a membership to a supremacist group for a known white racist to target a black business owner for services just like the gay couple targeted Christian bakers they knew did not do wedding cakes for same sex ceremonies.
    Apparently the Colorado 'devoutly Christian' baker was quite happy to take an order for a wedding cake for a DOG wedding.

    So much for his 'sincere religious beliefs' about marriage.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    There was no evidence presented at court in either the Sweetcakes by Mellisa or Masterpiece Cakes cases (the recent ones involving bakeries) that there was any attempt to "target" those establishment.

    No evidence was presented either that those businesses advertised their wedding services as being for different-sex couples only.




    Please stop making up stuff.



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    The bakery in Portland were well known in their community to be very religious. A Bible sat on the counter of their establishment. Artwork on the wall also depicted people of faith. And they had denied other same sex couples in the past. So no one is lying. The activist in the area knew damn well who they were and what they believed.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    It actually looks like not. The governor and attorney general weren't defending the ban and both that court and the federal appeals court rejected the National Organization for Marriage's ability to defend the ban.

    Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Gay Marriage Win in a Row - ABC News
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The bakery in Portland were well known in their community to be very religious. A Bible sat on the counter of their establishment. Artwork on the wall also depicted people of faith. And they had denied other same sex couples in the past. So no one is lying. The activist in the area knew damn well who they were and what they believed.

    In the Sweetcakes case the inquiry was made by e-mail, not a store visit.

    And I visited the website at the time (it has since changed) there was nothing on the site indicated they would refuse full and equal service to homosexuals as required under Oregon's Public Accommodation law.



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