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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I thought I made it perfectly clear that a business owner has the right to deny anyone a service that violates their moral conscience religious or not. I certainly don't think a soul food restaurant owned by blacks should be forced to cater to a KKK gathering but that is where we are headed if the insanity is allowed to continue making new perverted case law along the way.
    The KKK is not covered under race, religion, sex, national origin, ethnicity or sexual orientation - businesses are free to deny services to them already.


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    Like I stated earlier, if states just got out of the business of marriage licenses and went to civil unions for legal purposes then marriage defined in the traditional sense would remain in tact for those who see it sacred between a man and a woman . There would be no need to redefine marriage for all to conform to and all other unions could be viewed however each individual sees it.
    I don't know why I keep pointing this out because people ignore it in they inaccurate posting - but Same-sex Civil Marriage (SSCM) has nothing to do with whether a business is required to provide full and equal services to customers. That falls under Public Accommodation laws. Changing the name from "Marriage" to "Union" under Civil law will not change that.

    Sweetcakes by Mellisa (Oregon) - No SSCM, but they were found in violation of the Public Accommodation laws.

    Elane Photography (New Mexico) - No SSCM, but they were found in violation of the Public Accommodation laws.

    Masterpiece Cakes (Colorado) - No SSCM, but they were found in violation of the Public Accommodation laws.


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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Paxaeon View Post
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    For those of you who are interested, here is the public accommodation law or more precisely; 42 U.S. Code 2000a -"Prohibition against discrimination or segregation in places of public accommodation "

    Actually that is the Federal Public Accommodation law, here is the Oregon Public Accommodation law:

    Oregon Revised Statutes

    659A.403

    Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited
    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is 18 years of age or older.

    ORS 659A.403 - Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited - 2011 Oregon Revised Statutes


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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Washington Florist Who Refused Gay Wedding Job Says She 'Had To Take A Stand'

    Supreme Court won't hear case on gay wedding snub

    When these marriages become legal, they are used to force people to violate their religious beliefs and face damnation or persecution
    what exactly are the religious beliefs they are violating? Be specific.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Ooooohhh...we're skeeered!

    Look out! There's a gay couple right behind you, pointing their Gay Ray at you to turn you gay, and force your children into same-sex marriages! And they're going to round up all the heteros and force them into heterosexuality correction therapy since we all know that within every hetero is a gay person screaming to come out! Oh, yeah, and they'll outlaw the missionary position, too....
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Actually that is the Federal Public Accommodation law, here is the Oregon Public Accommodation law:

    Oregon Revised Statutes

    659A.403

    Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited
    (1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is 18 years of age or older.

    ORS 659A.403 - Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited - 2011 Oregon Revised Statutes


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    While you are looking up things, don't stop with Oregon's Accommodation Laws, read their State Constitution and what it says about upholding and protect a person's right to practice his moral conscience which is in conflict with their Accommodation Laws.

    I do believe White is still recognized as a race. Please don't tell me that a white man who happens to belong to a White supremacist group isn't protected under Accommodation Laws. There is no difference in a White Supremacist seeking a Black caterer than there is of a gay couple who targeted Christian bakers who were known in the community not to do wedding cakes for same sex ceremonies and then filed a lawsuit against them for denying them that service.

    And for the record the federal judge who overturned the gay marriage ban in Oregon just happens to be gay and made his ruling personal . And an appellate panel out of San Francisco refused requests to block the ruling so gays could start getting married that afternoon. So there you go you had Democrat state officials refusing to uphold the Oregon constitution and a gay judge overturning their same sex marriage ban and an appellate panel refusing any recourse of those against it. What a sad joke of a justice system.

    Oregon Same Sex-Marriage Ban Voided by Gay Judge - Businessweek
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I do believe White is still recognized as a race. Please don't tell me that a white man who happens to belong to a White supremacist group isn't protected under Accommodation Laws. There is no difference in a White Supremacist seeking a black caterer than there is of a gay couple who targeted Christian bakers who were known in the community not to do wedding cakes for same sex ceremonies and then filed a lawsuit against them for denying them that service.

    White is a race and if a commission for doing business is normally offered and refused because of race - then that business is in violation of the law.

    The KKK however is not a race and therefore a business is free to refuse such a commission.

    From Elane Photography v. Willock:

    "Elane Photography also suggests that enforcing the NMHRA against it would mean
    that an African-American photographer could not legally refuse to photograph a Ku Klux
    Klan rally. This hypothetical suffers from the reality that political views and political group
    membership, including membership in the Klan, are not protected categories under the
    NMHRA. See 28-1-7(F) (prohibiting public accommodation discrimination based on
    “race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity,
    spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap”). Therefore, an African-American could
    decline to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. However, the point is well-taken when the roles
    in the hypothetical are reversed—a Ku Klux Klan member who operates a photography
    business as a public accommodation would be compelled to photograph an African-
    American under the NMHRA. This result is required by the NMHRA, which seeks to
    promote equal rights and access to public accommodations by prohibiting discrimination
    based on certain specified protected classifications."
    http://www.nmcompcomm.us/nmcases/nms...s/SC33,687.pdf



    You can rally against it all day long, but the KKK argument has lost in court. A decision to refuse service based on a KKK event is not a refusal of service based on race.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    White is a race and if a commission for doing business is normally offered and refused because of race - then that business is in violation of the law.

    The KKK however is not a race and therefore a business is free to refuse such a commission.

    From Elane Photography v. Willock:

    "Elane Photography also suggests that enforcing the NMHRA against it would mean
    that an African-American photographer could not legally refuse to photograph a Ku Klux
    Klan rally. This hypothetical suffers from the reality that political views and political group
    membership, including membership in the Klan, are not protected categories under the
    NMHRA. See 28-1-7(F) (prohibiting public accommodation discrimination based on
    “race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity,
    spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap”). Therefore, an African-American could
    decline to photograph a Ku Klux Klan rally. However, the point is well-taken when the roles
    in the hypothetical are reversed—a Ku Klux Klan member who operates a photography
    business as a public accommodation would be compelled to photograph an African-
    American under the NMHRA. This result is required by the NMHRA, which seeks to
    promote equal rights and access to public accommodations by prohibiting discrimination
    based on certain specified protected classifications."
    http://www.nmcompcomm.us/nmcases/nms...s/SC33,687.pdf



    You can rally against it all day long, but the KKK argument has lost in court. A decision to refuse service based on a KKK event is not a refusal of service based on race.


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    Forget the KKK all it takes is a white man who is known to hate black people and targets a black caterer for services according to you can not be denied.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Forget the KKK all it takes is a white man who is known to hate black people and targets a black caterer for services according to you can not be denied.
    Read the quote again. It says
    This hypothetical suffers from the reality that political views and political group
    membership, including membership in the Klan, are not protected categories under the
    NMHRA.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Read the quote again. It says
    And again the point is it doesn't take a membership to a supremacist group for a known white racist to target a black business owner for services just like the gay couple targeted Christian bakers they knew did not do wedding cakes for same sex ceremonies.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And again the point is it doesn't take a membership to a supremacist group for a known white racist to target a black business owner for services just like the gay couple targeted Christian bakers they knew did not do wedding cakes for same sex ceremonies.
    Correct but no state has a law protecting known racists from discrimination
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