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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win[W:48]

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianBoroihme View Post
    Well, I am saying that a win has not been achieved at the ballot box. Only by judges.
    Most of us dont care which branch of government steps in to protect our rights, as long as they ware protected.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win[W:48]

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianBoroihme View Post
    Well, I am saying that a win has not been achieved at the ballot box. Only by judges.
    Which is still a win. Votes take time. In many states that have had their bans/laws overturned as unconstitutional by judges, we know that the public support actually is there, especially the ones where it is already legal, they are not waiting on any appeals. The only problem is that many states only allow votes during certain times of the year or even during certain years. Some only allow them every 4 years. Some others only allow a vote on a constitutional amendment, for the state, after 2 votes 4 years apart to overturn a previously enacted amendment (I think Nevada and/or Colorado has this issue because their legislature is trying to push this through but in order to get it via legislation/voters, it will take at least 4-8 years for it to go through due to these restrictions. Whereas a judge simply ruling the laws/bans unconstitutional (which they are) takes much shorter time.

    The thing people tend to not understand on this issue is that voters change opinion faster than legislation can catch up, much faster than legislation can catch up. And you really only have so many die-hards on either side where this is an important issue for them. Many people couldn't care less if people of the same sex are allowed to marry because they feel it doesn't affect them whether they are or aren't.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win[W:48]

    Quote Originally Posted by BrianBoroihme View Post
    Well, I am saying that a win has not been achieved at the ballot box. Only by judges.
    Well, I believe the Judges do their job well. They don't make laws (all whine aside) they insure what is made into a law passes Constitutional muster. Judges are not perfect but they are irreplaceable. Our nation was founded on a Constitution tempering majority rules.

    I would think libertarians would be for expanding the rights of all and not allowing some folks to try and restrict the rights of a few from enjoying full equality.

    I don't want to marry a Dude, I picked a female to go through life with. That said I don't see who has the 'right' to tell consenting adults they can fight for the country but not all the blessings some go on and on about...

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