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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Depends.

    God didn't say a man will marry a woman. Not a man tgat believes in me will marry a woman tgat believes in me.

    BUT if they marry after an invalid divorce or some other way violate God's will, then I would say I don't view it as a valid marriage. That is their business though and no one with beliefs like mine should be required to participate or validate or recognize such marriages as such. That is why the government should be out of the marriage business all together.
    You don't have to participate or validate marriages that you don't approve of now. You may have to recognize them, if you happen to work for the government or in a position where you are in charge of distributing benefits where marriage might be the factor. However, that is part of living in society. And it could happen even if the government was completely out of the marriage business that a person somewhere might have to recognize that someone else was a legal spouse of another person because legal spousal recognition of some kind is always going to be necessary so long as other legal kinships are recognized.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Of course. It isn't bigotry if you think it is ok. [/Sarcasm]
    "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice."

    You want to discriminate against gays for being gay, I'm going to call you out on it. You want to discriminate against Jews for being Jewish, I'm going to call you out on it. You want to discriminate against Arabs for being Arab, I'm going to call you out on it. Because that's my first amendment right. Actively working against someone else's personal liberty based solely on your personal disapproval is about as un-American as it gets.
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    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You said:



    Absolutely it does. Free speech works just as well for bigots than for anyone else. Equality operates for everyone, even the people you disagree with.
    No, it really doesn't. Bigots don't have a right to speak on my radio station.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    No, it really doesn't. Bigots don't have a right to speak on my radio station.
    No, they don't. But they have the right to speak on their own radio station.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice."

    You want to discriminate against gays for being gay, I'm going to call you out on it. You want to discriminate against Jews for being Jewish, I'm going to call you out on it. You want to discriminate against Arabs for being Arab, I'm going to call you out on it. Because that's my first amendment right. Actively working against someone else's personal liberty based solely on your personal disapproval is about as un-American as it gets.
    So long as you don't solicit government force.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, they don't. But they have the right to speak on their own radio station.

    Yes, they do.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No, they don't. But they have the right to speak on their own radio station.
    Of course.... and who was arguing otherwise?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So long as you don't solicit government force.
    Which nobody is doing. Gay marriage being legal does not force anything upon anybody.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    National, legalized ss marriage is inevitable.

    Me?

    I think marriage is silly. Being legally pressured to stay with one person for the rest of your life, imo, causes more misery then joy.

    A relationship is not stronger because you are married...it's just more difficult to get out of.

    And people should be free (and, in fact, encouraged) to leave any romantic relationship the second they want to.

    I don't want to be with the wrong person AND the last thing I want is my partner staying with me mostly because it's too much work to leave.


    Having said that...any two sane, consenting adults should be able to legally marry.
    I agree with what you said and in fact, it mirrors what I think. I didn't marry my husband because I *could* marry him legally. I did it because I love him. A relationship's legality isn't what makes a relationship stronger. Marriage IMO makes relationships harder because as you point out, it's very hard to get out of a marriage.

    I would for myself change your last line to:

    any sane, consenting adults should be able to legally marry

    I don't even think it should be limited to two. Polygamists should enjoy the same rights as other adults. It isn't my business that there is more than one woman in the marriage.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I agree with what you said and in fact, it mirrors what I think. I didn't marry my husband because I *could* marry him legally. I did it because I love him. A relationship's legality isn't what makes a relationship stronger. Marriage IMO makes relationships harder because as you point out, it's very hard to get out of a marriage.

    I would for myself change your last line to:

    any sane, consenting adults should be able to legally marry

    I don't even think it should be limited to two. Polygamists should enjoy the same rights as other adults. It isn't my business that there is more than one woman in the marriage.
    I agree with all that.

    Frankly, if I want to marry a very attractive table lamp...that should be my option.

    Btw, her name is Maggie and she lights up my life.


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