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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No it isn't. No law protects equal access for bigots. You may believe what you want. Say what you want. But equality under the law says you cannot discriminate for reasons of race, religion, or gender. Not bigotry. I can't stop you from eating in my burger joint. But I don't have to ask you to speak. Apples and oranges.
    People can be bigots all day long, there's no way to control what goes on in someone's head and people, like it or not, have a right to free speech. Bigots simply cannot act on their bigotry in legally-restricted means, they can't stop black people from eating in their establishment, they can't stop Jews from coming into their stores, etc. Nothing says they can't hate blacks or Jews though. We don't have mind-crimes in this country. People can hate gays all they want, there's no way to stop them, they just can't act on their hatred of gays.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Yes, they are. That is why you are issued a marriage license.
    Marriage is generally good for society, that's why the government recognizes it. It has nothing to do with religion.

    To people of the big 3 religions, there is no such thing as a nonreligious marriage.
    Then they're morons that need to grow up.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think marriage is silly. Being legally pressured to stay with one person for the rest of your life, imo, causes more misery then joy.
    You're not being pressured to do anything, you signed up. You volunteered. Nobody forced you into it. If you don't like it, don't do it. Easy.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post

    To people of the big 3 religions, there is no such thing as a nonreligious marriage.
    While I also agree that the govt should not be involved in marriage, unfortunately it is. And since it is, then it is discriminating against consenting adults who should be allowed to partake of the benefits and legal protections accorded to marriage.

    Are the people in the '3 big religions' unaware of the country they are living in and the laws that govern it? Which are specifically supposed to not force a religious belief on someone else? Yes? No? Do they know this?

    Do they know that millions of atheists also marry here in the US? Yes? No? So then...are those people 'married' or not? Hmmm. Married under the law is the answer of course.


    Now, no one forces religious (or other) couples to get marriage licenses and be married under the aegis of the state. Any straight couple in the US can go to the church of their choice and have their specific marriage ceremony performed and be married 'In the eyes of God.' Yes? No?

    So if the people of the '3 big religions' dont like 'govt sponsored' marriage, no one is making them sign up for it. Correct? They can still have exactly what they want, correct?

    So then if the people of the '3 big religions' are offended by marriage as defined or newly defined by their states....they can opt out. I havent heard of anyone doing so tho. I wonder why? Do you know?
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    1.)No obscure meanings necessary. By issuing a license the government entity endorses the legitimacy of the act.
    2.)The big 3 religions believe God created marriage with the union of Adam and Eve.
    1.) only its legality and peoples rights not the actual marriage itself.
    2.) which once again has NOTHING to do with equal rights and legal marriage lmao nothing , zip, zero, zilch they are not related. so your original statement is still factually false.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    1.)Ok....but if what I say is laughably untrue than please tell me why now?
    2.)If this is such a significant civil rights issue why wait for public support to come out in favor?
    3.) Why wasn't this issue addressed when Democrats had the house and senate and presidency just a few short uears ago? Did they just become aware that this issue existed? Why not do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing when they became aware?
    4.)You can voice your fake righteous indignation all you want, but the rest of is see this political stunt as the disingenuous ploy that it is.
    1.) people finally started fighting for it and more and more people are educating themselves
    why woman's rights when they happen?
    why minority rights when it happened?
    why interracial marriage when it happen.
    2.) again see 1 some of those wen the same way LMAO
    3.) what do democrats have to do with this? millions of republicans support equal rights too lol this is exactly the type of dishonest hyperbolic nonsense sense that makes nobody educated take that post seriously. also see 1 again
    4.) who is us???? lmao

    if you think your statement is true simply post any facts that support that retarded, mentally inept "post". heck post ONE fact that proves its not a civil/equal rights issue and its just or mainly a push by liberal democrats to distract from the President's failed economic, health care and foreign policies.

    dont forget to do so youll have to probe have to prove all the court cases wrong that say its a equal rights/ civil rights issue, youl have to prove no republicans want equal rights then youll have to prove this will factually some how make people who think the president has failed economic, health care and foreign policies not matter.

    we cant wait to read it, like i said nobody honest, educated and objective will ever take that dishonest rhetoric seriously. If that was an OP it would have been flushed. dont forget those facts but i bet youll post a lot of of meanignless opinions, deflections and not one single fact that actually proves then nonsense you posted lie you posted.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Of course. It isn't bigotry if you think it is ok. [/Sarcasm]
    No, hating a race, like the KKK does is bigotry. Even if you think it's ok to hate a race.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    People can be bigots all day long, there's no way to control what goes on in someone's head and people, like it or not, have a right to free speech. Bigots simply cannot act on their bigotry in legally-restricted means, they can't stop black people from eating in their establishment, they can't stop Jews from coming into their stores, etc. Nothing says they can't hate blacks or Jews though. We don't have mind-crimes in this country. People can hate gays all they want, there's no way to stop them, they just can't act on their hatred of gays.
    Have I said anything different than that?

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Have I said anything different than that?
    You said:

    No law protects equal access for bigots.
    Absolutely it does. Free speech works just as well for bigots than for anyone else. Equality operates for everyone, even the people you disagree with.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You said:



    Absolutely it does. Free speech works just as well for bigots than for anyone else. Equality operates for everyone, even the people you disagree with.
    No, that's free speech.

    Look, when you at sentences in isolation, sometimes you can think some one believes something they don't. This was a response to I have to have the KKK as my key note speaker. That's nonsense.

    And no, discrimination is allowed outside protected groups. A college can give preference to legacy, for example, and not violate any equal rights fir no legacy. Though both sides can say anything they want about it, absent libel and the like.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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