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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No it isn't. No law protects equal access for bigots. You may believe what you want. Say what you want. But equality under the law says you cannot discriminate for reasons of race, religion, or gender. Not bigotry. I can't stop you from eating in my burger joint. But I don't have to ask you to speak. Apples and oranges.
    "Bigots" aren't what I am talking about. But, since we are on the subject, aren't you exhibiting your own bigotry by not tolerating that type of thought and speech? That is exactly what the first amendment seeks to prevent witg respect to the government. The government cannot tell people what to say or believe. That is absolutely essential for the voting process to remain fair.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The problem here is that, historically, bigots have used the 10th Amendment to violate the rights of others. Mississippi Burning is an excellent example of that. Mississippi used Christianity to deny the vote to African Americans, and to murder them when they protested. The 10th Amendment does not trump the rest of the Constitution. It only states that rights not addressed specifically in the Constitution belong to the states. The 10th Amendment does not give all rights to the states, only those which are not expressed in other parts of the Constitution. Of course, bigots like to cherry pick the 10th Amendment without paying heed to the rest of the Constitution, WHICH TRUMPS THE 10TH AMENDMENT.
    That was murder. The first lets you believe and say what you want but your right ends when you harm someone else. In Mississippi that was murder. In SSM, that is forcing business owners to participate in ceremonies that violate their religious beliefs.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) government isnt endorsing marriages so you have nothing to be against, they are protecting rights and a personal contract though
    Yes, they are. That is why you are issued a marriage license.

    2.) religious marriage has no impact to this discussio,n they are 100% meaningless to the topic of equal rights/SSM
    To people of the big 3 religions, there is no such thing as a nonreligious marriage.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Agreed. No one is trying to force you to believe anything. The hypocrisy is all yours/theirs.

    And religious people shouldnt try to force their belief that 2 people of the same gender shouldnt be allowed to marry either.
    Oh don't fool yourself into thinking the SSM push is purely about civil rights. This is primarily a push by liberal democrats to distract from the President's failed economic, health care and foreign policies. If this was about civil rights, they would have done it decades ago. They are only pushing it now because they think the issue will get them some votes.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    National, legalized ss marriage is inevitable.

    Me?

    I think marriage is silly. Being legally pressured to stay with one person for the rest of your life, imo, causes more misery then joy.

    A relationship is not stronger because you are married...it's just more difficult to get out of.

    And people should be free (and, in fact, encouraged) to leave any romantic relationship the second they want to.

    I don't want to be with the wrong person AND the last thing I want is my partner staying with me mostly because it's too much work to leave.


    Having said that...any two sane, consenting adults should be able to legally marry.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Oh don't fool yourself into thinking the SSM push is purely about civil rights. This is primarily a push by liberal democrats to distract from the President's failed economic, health care and foreign policies. If this was about civil rights, they would have done it decades ago. They are only pushing it now because they think the issue will get them some votes.
    Exactly! Funny how Obama didn't support SSM until he won his second term.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, and the other point of the first amendment is that other peoples' religious beliefs are not pushed upon you with the force of law.




    Unless, of course, you believe marriage should be between two adults who love each other and want to solidify that commitment, even if both are of the same gender. Then you can piss off, because the evangelicals say it's wrong.
    And you keep ignoring the fact that I don't want the government to recognize/regulate marriage. Even among Christians there are differences on who can get married and divorced. Up until Henry VIII marriage was regulated by social groups (i.e. families, churches, etc.) That's what it should return to.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    In this case recognition is a form of endorsement.
    Call it what you want, the underlying point stands.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    And you keep ignoring the fact that I don't want the government to recognize/regulate marriage. Even among Christians there are differences on who can get married and divorced. Up until Henry VIII marriage was regulated by social groups (i.e. families, churches, etc.) That's what it should return to.
    And you keep ignoring that in 2014 there are various legal proceedings that require recognition of a family unit.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Oh don't fool yourself into thinking the SSM push is purely about civil rights. This is primarily a push by liberal democrats to distract from the President's failed economic, health care and foreign policies. If this was about civil rights, they would have done it decades ago. They are only pushing it now because they think the issue will get them some votes.
    The ultimate cop out, just declare the other side has sinister intentions and ignore any actual good they're doing.

    Politician actions change to reflect changing opinions of their constituents? Well, I never!
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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