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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The key NOT, sure.

    But your comparison is apples and oranges. Bigotry is not protected under equal rights or any other law I know of.
    Sure it is. You can believe any way you like. That is the point of the first amendment.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's interesting....the Bible discusses fornicators, adulterers, and 'men who lay with other men' all the same as far as sin is concerned.

    I havent seen many (any) businesses refusing to serve prostitutes, cheaters, couples that live together, etc. Have you? I wonder why?

    Could it be because there's a giant hypocritical bias against gays? One certainly not displayed in the Bible?
    Again, nothing in the Constitution requires you to justify your religious beliefs. If you don't think a wedding is legitimate unless a gerbil dressed as my little pony was present and then sacrificed and eaten by the bride and groom's parents to appease mother Earth's aunt, then you have every right to believe that and no one should be able to force you to otherwise.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Sure it is. You can believe any way you like. That is the point of the first amendment.
    Yes, and the other point of the first amendment is that other peoples' religious beliefs are not pushed upon you with the force of law.

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    Again, nothing in the Constitution requires you to justify your religious beliefs. If you don't think a wedding is legitimate unless a gerbil dressed as my little pony was present and then sacrificed and eaten by the bride and groom's parents to appease mother Earth's aunt, then you have every right to believe that and no one should be able to force you to otherwise.

    Unless, of course, you believe marriage should be between two adults who love each other and want to solidify that commitment, even if both are of the same gender. Then you can piss off, because the evangelicals say it's wrong.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yes, and the other point of the first amendment is that other peoples' religious beliefs are not pushed upon you with the force of law.
    Which is why I am against the government endorsing any marriages as they are a creation of God in most religions.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Which is why I am against the government endorsing any marriages as they are a creation of God in most religions.
    It's not an "endorsement." It's a necessary legal recognition for any number of civil issues.

    Unless you want social services taking children from families because the other person in the relationship is just a roommate as far as they are concerned.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Sure it is. You can believe any way you like. That is the point of the first amendment.
    No it isn't. No law protects equal access for bigots. You may believe what you want. Say what you want. But equality under the law says you cannot discriminate for reasons of race, religion, or gender. Not bigotry. I can't stop you from eating in my burger joint. But I don't have to ask you to speak. Apples and oranges.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    The 10th amendment does not give anyone the right to force another individual/group, participating in commerce or not, to suspend their religious beliefs and violate their religious views.
    The problem here is that, historically, bigots have used the 10th Amendment to violate the rights of others. Mississippi Burning is an excellent example of that. Mississippi used Christianity to deny the vote to African Americans, and to murder them when they protested. The 10th Amendment does not trump the rest of the Constitution. It only states that rights not addressed specifically in the Constitution belong to the states. The 10th Amendment does not give all rights to the states, only those which are not expressed in other parts of the Constitution. Of course, bigots like to cherry pick the 10th Amendment without paying heed to the rest of the Constitution, WHICH TRUMPS THE 10TH AMENDMENT.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Which is why I am against the government endorsing any marriages as they are a creation of God in most religions.
    1.) government isnt endorsing marriages so you have nothing to be against, they are protecting rights and a personal contract though
    2.) religious marriage has no impact to this discussio,n they are 100% meaningless to the topic of equal rights/SSM
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Again, nothing in the Constitution requires you to justify your religious beliefs. If you don't think a wedding is legitimate unless a gerbil dressed as my little pony was present and then sacrificed and eaten by the bride and groom's parents to appease mother Earth's aunt, then you have every right to believe that and no one should be able to force you to otherwise.
    Agreed. No one is trying to force you to believe anything. The hypocrisy is all yours/theirs.

    And religious people shouldnt try to force their belief that 2 people of the same gender shouldnt be allowed to marry either.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not an "endorsement." It's a necessary legal recognition for any number of civil issues.

    Unless you want social services taking children from families because the other person in the relationship is just a roommate as far as they are concerned.
    In this case recognition is a form of endorsement.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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