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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Well that's pretty much bull****.

    If you had paid attention to my posts I have repeatedly called for the repeal of Public Accommodation laws.

    See it appears that the difference is between you and I is that you call "moral conscience" expections for gays. I call for repeal of the laws based on property rights of the owner which means that religion or "moral conscience" is irrelevant, any business owner gets to refuse any customer for whatever reason they want.



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    yeah it was a pretty good dose of bull**** wasn't it? just like a few handfuls you passed out along the way.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    When you go into a place of business such as a bakery, does the baker ask you if you are an adulterer, a fornicator, a thief, or if you covet your neighbor's house? NO. Do they ask you what faith you practice? NO. Do they ask you your ethnicity? NO. Does he ask you your sexual preference? No. As long as you are a paying customer your order is filled until the customer presents them with a specific request that violates their moral conscience. Say a customer came in and asked for a cake depicting 42 DD breasts or a woman's crotch for a bachelor party. Or maybe a cake shaped like an erected penis. Doesn't he have a right to deny his service because what is being asked of him he finds demoralizing? Shouldn't he be allowed to protect his name by not creating something that does not represent who he is? To many marriage is between a man and a woman and God. To force them to create a cake for something they find to be an abomination to God is unfair.
    You ignored the sentences where I specifically said how and why they knew.

    He can refuse to create something, probably anything, that he/she finds offensive. Just like an employer can refuse to hire someone that offends him/her. Unless it is for a protected class, protected from discrimination.

    There are still people that feel that treating blacks the same as whites is an abomination to God....should we respect their moral conscience? Hey, they can believe whatever they want but in a business they should be prepared to serve *the public.*

    If they really dont want to serve someone, just say no. Dont give a reason.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    yeah it was a pretty good dose of bull**** wasn't it?

    Ya it was.


    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    just like a few handfuls you passed out along the way.

    Except the difference is, I understand that my personal wants and the reality of law are two different things. When I discuss the law and case history I've provided links and rulings to substantiate what I say and don't go off spouting stupid stuff about KKK rallies, 42DD breasts and penises.



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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    When you go into a place of business such as a bakery, does the baker ask you if you are an adulterer, a fornicator, a thief, or if you covet your neighbor's house? NO. Do they ask you what faith you practice? NO. Do they ask you your ethnicity? NO. Does he ask you your sexual preference? No. As long as you are a paying customer your order is filled until the customer presents them with a specific request that violates their moral conscience. Say a customer came in and asked for a cake depicting 42 DD breasts or a woman's crotch for a bachelor party. Or maybe a cake shaped like an erected penis. Doesn't he have a right to deny his service because what is being asked of him he finds demoralizing? Shouldn't he be allowed to protect his name by not creating something that does not represent who he is? To many marriage is between a man and a woman and God. To force them to create a cake for something they find to be an abomination to God is unfair.
    If they're not in the business of baking penis cakes, then the baker has every right to refuse to bake one. But if they do provide that service, they are required to do so for any customer willing to pay for one.

    The same thing goes for wedding cakes.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If they're not in the business of baking penis cakes, then the baker has every right to refuse to bake one. But if they do provide that service, they are required to do so for any customer willing to pay for one.

    The same thing goes for wedding cakes.
    I know sanga, the point of the example was to show the baker's right to not fulfill the request due to his moral conscience. I wasn't using the example in regard to the law but to show there are instances where one's moral conscience will not allow him to do something. Not for money and at the risk of offending another.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Ya it was.





    Except the difference is, I understand that my personal wants and the reality of law are two different things. When I discuss the law and case history I've provided links and rulings to substantiate what I say and don't go off spouting stupid stuff about KKK rallies, 42DD breasts and penises.



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    No matter how you go about it, a handful of bull**** is still a handful of bull****.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I know sanga, the point of the example was to show the baker's right to not fulfill the request due to his moral conscience. I wasn't using the example in regard to the law but to show there are instances where one's moral conscience will not allow him to do something. Not for money and at the risk of offending another.
    The baker who bakes wedding cakes doesn't have that right to not bake a wedding cake.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The baker who bakes wedding cakes doesn't have that right to not bake a wedding cake.
    Yes Sangha I understand that under the current status of accommodation laws but hopefully in the near future through legislation from Congress or protection laws implemented by states will restore a man's right to deny services to those who he finds violates his moral conscience.

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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes Sangha I understand that under the current status of accommodation laws but hopefully in the near future through legislation from Congress or protection laws implemented by states will restore a man's right to deny services to those who he finds violates his moral conscience.
    Don't hold your breath

    Or do. Either way, the people who think their businesses should be able to practice bigotry are dying off.
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    Re: Oregon Ruling Marks 13th Straight Gay Marriage Win

    There won't be many more so enjoy it while you can.
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