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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The major difference is that the US probably doesn't do much in the way of industrial espionage.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Now that is funny as hell! When are you opening in Vegas?
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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH Now that is funny as hell! When are you opening in Vegas?


    I know it is very hard to believe that others could be better than oneself. But, you see, your answer says more about your bend of mind than about anything.


    It is the same thing, when people here in Germany say, that everyone bribes for business. They don't believe it could be different and try to justify what they see going on in their companies, when they cannot overlook it. Usually, of course, people will just act as if it didn't happen.
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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

    Good enough reason to impose economic sanctions on China IMO.

    The USA needs to become much more isolationist anyways for economic recovery, especially in regards to China.
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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

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    US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies | News | DW.DE | 19.05.2014






    Aside from the fact that Holder is getting his moment of fame to actually look like he's doing something... China needs to be slapped on the nose. it's doing government sponsored cyber terrorism for a long time now and it's not even sorry. It doesn't even care if you know or if you don't know.

    Honestly, it's a really scary thing, this China. It's invading other nations territorial waters like it does now in Vietnam. It presses claims it has no right to. It sponsored cyber terrorism. It encourages corruption in africa by offering cheap loans to african countries so they don't take EU and USA money which has strings attached to govt reforms for democracy. It's not a good country and has no interest in fair play in a fair world. And these cyber terrorism attacks just prove it more and more.
    China, like all nations with major Intelligence operations engages in a range of espionage, including industrial espionage. This isn't a big surprise.

    In terms of China's hardening positions with regard to disputed areas, China's actions reflect its growing power. In the past, China was more restrained simply because China was weaker, not because China held different views. Given the importance of the waterways in question and overlapping territorial claims, including those held by U.S. allies, this is one of the big reasons the U.S. can ill-afford to step back from the world as some in the neo-isolationist movement might desire. This does not mean that the U.S. and China need to embark on a path of confrontation, but cooperation in areas of common interest coupled with careful management of areas where their interests diverge will be important.

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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    The major difference is that the US probably doesn't do much in the way of industrial espionage.
    And what information makes you assign this 'probability'? That they haven't told you?

    Considering the wars we waged in Central & South America for various private companies like United Fruit Company and others, I am skeptical that the US does not conduct industrial espionage.

    Considering that the NSA & DEA gather and record every single cellphone call made in, to or from the Bahamas of all places, how much further is it to conduct industrial espionage in countries with industry?

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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

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    I know it is very hard to believe that others could be better than oneself. But, you see, your answer says more about your bend of mind than about anything.


    It is the same thing, when people here in Germany say, that everyone bribes for business. They don't believe it could be different and try to justify what they see going on in their companies, when they cannot overlook it. Usually, of course, people will just act as if it didn't happen.
    Have you even followed the Snowden case?
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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

    I'm not sure why there is so much hesitation to acknowledge that major Intelligence agencies engage in industrial espionage. Technologies, information, and knowledge often have national security implications. Hence, it makes sense for Intelligence agencies to be aware of such technologies, information, and knowledge, understand it, and ensure that their nations can apply it. That such technology is under patent is irrelevant. Otherwise, countries risk deliberately putting themselves at a qualitative disadvantage when it comes to national security. To do so would be an enormous failure of their national security responsibilities, even as national security is among the primary functions of government.

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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

    Merkel called and she wants her phone back.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    And what information makes you assign this 'probability'? That they haven't told you?

    Considering the wars we waged in Central & South America for various private companies like United Fruit Company and others, I am skeptical that the US does not conduct industrial espionage.

    Considering that the NSA & DEA gather and record every single cellphone call made in, to or from the Bahamas of all places, how much further is it to conduct industrial espionage in countries with industry?
    What I would expect, would be that the information collected might seem to those on whom the information was collected to be industrial in its nature. The drug barons must seethe at times and some acquaintances at Airbus were furious, when the names of those who had been bribes was published by the White House.

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    Re: US accuses China of cyber-espionage on American companies

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Have you even followed the Snowden case?
    Link? I would be glad to learn.

    PS: I mean a link that is more robust than only a statement in a German interview. After all, he is trying to get into Germany.
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