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Russia and China Move Into Central America

That might be true, but it was us that enabled the death squads. We can't judge nations by what they say, or what aims we might believe they have. Nations are judged by what they do, and it is here that we failed.

I am afraid that if they go for Russia and China then they may have not learned from your failures at all :shock:
 
Yes, I do. Have you not paid attention to Cuba the past several decades?

These two countries do not care or honor any form of global law. They laugh at those that do.

One day you'll be looking around wondering what the hell happened. Reality is such a bitch.

What happened was freedom. The people supported a revolution which replaced one tyrant with another. If thats what they want, then so be it. Its not the US responsibility to ensure the entire worlds natural rights.
 
The point being, the US overthrew democratic governments in favor of dictators that were beneficial to the interests of US business, at the expense of Latin American citizens. This isn't a left right thing, its a right wrong thing, and the policy of denying communism a foothold had nothing to do with protecting the interests of Latin American citizens, but ensuring that it was US business that had exploitation rights.

Which businesses in Latin America are you referring to?
 
That might be true, but it was us that enabled the death squads. We can't judge nations by what they say, or what aims we might believe they have. Nations are judged by what they do, and it is here that we failed.

The US did not enable any "Death Squads"! This is decades old leftist propaganda remnants from the Cold War. Do you understand that it was a Communist Regime the Contras were fighting against and that democracy came about as a result of their sacrifices and American leadership?

Certainly there should come a time when Americans become sophisticated enough to understand the propaganda attacking their own country rather than continue to fall for it.
 
I am afraid that if they go for Russia and China then they may have not learned from your failures at all :shock:

It's not the people's choice in Nicaragua, it's Daniel Ortega's. He was a Communist until Communism was defeated, then he became pro American and a free marketeer, and now that he's been elected he's back to being a Communist.
 
Which businesses in Latin America are you referring to?

One such example of US business exploitation of Latin America.


During the 1950s, the United Fruit Company convinced the governments of U.S. Presidents Harry Truman (1945–53) and Dwight Eisenhower (1953–61) that the popular, elected government of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán of Guatemala was secretly pro–Soviet for having expropriated unused "fruit company lands" to landless peasants. In the Cold War (1945–91) context of the pro-active anti-communist politics exemplified by U. S. Senator Joseph McCarthy in the years 1947-1957, geo-political concerns about the "security" of the Western Hemisphere facilitated President Eisenhower's ordering and authorizing Operation Success, the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état (1954) by means of which the U.S. C.I.A. (Central Intelligence Agency) deposed the democratically elected government (1950–54) of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán and installed the pro-business government of Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas (1954–57), which lasted for three years until his assassination by a presidential guard.[2]

Banana republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
One such example of US business exploitation of Latin America.


During the 1950s, the United Fruit Company convinced the governments of U.S. Presidents Harry Truman (1945–53) and Dwight Eisenhower (1953–61) that the popular, elected government of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán of Guatemala was secretly pro–Soviet for having expropriated unused "fruit company lands" to landless peasants. In the Cold War (1945–91) context of the pro-active anti-communist politics exemplified by U. S. Senator Joseph McCarthy in the years 1947-1957, geo-political concerns about the "security" of the Western Hemisphere facilitated President Eisenhower's ordering and authorizing Operation Success, the 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état (1954) by means of which the U.S. C.I.A. (Central Intelligence Agency) deposed the democratically elected government (1950–54) of President Jacobo Árbenz Guzmán and installed the pro-business government of Colonel Carlos Castillo Armas (1954–57), which lasted for three years until his assassination by a presidential guard.[2]

Banana republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I thought that would be it~back to the 50's!

I've met many Leftists who come down there to complain about United Fruit, or its equivalent today.. One of them visited my place after investigating and when I asked what complaints there were he said that the roads to the plant were 'a little bumpy'

In fact it is status to work for any foreign democracy-based company in Central America, right from Volvo to Intel to me. They get treated much better, generally, than working for the locals. This is largely true, i believe, throughout the third world.
 
One - the scheme is still in the development stage.

Two - this idea has been around for eons...America could have developed it if she had wanted to - but she didn't (for obvious reasons, she already has the Panama Canal).


This is no threat to America at all.

If the Russians were buying the Panama Canal - that would be different. But they aren't. They are just proposing to build another canal.

A second canal would be great for world trade. Another route, competition (to bring the prices down) and so on.


And what Nicaragua does within it's own borders is it's own business - not America's.


One additional good thing about is it will REALLY piss off the hardline Neocons...I love pissing off hardline neocons.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/nicaragua-approves-route-40-billion-canal-linking-oceans-023933637.html

This news is likely missing from your MSM, but you're probably up-to-date on the hi-jinks Hollywood celebrities are up to.
 
It's not the people's choice in Nicaragua, it's Daniel Ortega's. He was a Communist until Communism was defeated, then he became pro American and a free marketeer, and now that he's been elected he's back to being a Communist.

At least the death squads were Nicaraguan's themselves back at those days. If they lean with Russia and China the death squads would be from Russia and China instead.
 
I thought that would be it~back to the 50's!

I've met many Leftists who come down there to complain about United Fruit, or its equivalent today.. One of them visited my place after investigating and when I asked what complaints there were he said that the roads to the plant were 'a little bumpy'

In fact it is status to work for any foreign democracy-based company in Central America, right from Volvo to Intel to me. They get treated much better, generally, than working for the locals. This is largely true, i believe, throughout the third world.

It's not just the 50's. a century of documented exploitation injurious to Latin America, against your word, that their only complaints are bumpy roads. Ok I'm laughing a little bit now.
 
At least the death squads were Nicaraguan's themselves back at those days. If they lean with Russia and China the death squads would be from Russia and China instead.
Any "Death Squads" were supported by the USSR and/or Cuba. Note there were no "Death Squads" once Communism collapsed.

Russia and China will just take over the area and, I believe, will eventually subvert Daniel Ortega. Ortega feels he can play in the big leagues now but he's only playing in a small arena. I considered buying a ranch there for future investment, as well as exporting crops and raising cattle, but with these players the risk of investment is just too great. One thing is certain though. The income from this canal will not be going to the Nicaraguan people.
 
It's not just the 50's. a century of documented exploitation injurious to Latin America, against your word, that their only complaints are bumpy roads. Ok I'm laughing a little bit now.
You haven't been there and have no idea what went on or what's happening now. You read old propaganda, very good anti-American propaganda, and believe it, even though you live in America and should know better.

A generation of people have grown up thinking the worst of their country while having virtually no knowledge of the outside world. I'm constantly amazed that anti American propaganda left over from the Cold War still resonates among so many Americans today.
 
Any "Death Squads" were supported by the USSR and/or Cuba. Note there were no "Death Squads" once Communism collapsed.

Russia and China will just take over the area and, I believe, will eventually subvert Daniel Ortega. Ortega feels he can play in the big leagues now but he's only playing in a small arena. I considered buying a ranch there for future investment, as well as exporting crops and raising cattle, but with these players the risk of investment is just too great. One thing is certain though. The income from this canal will not be going to the Nicaraguan people.

Best is with no death squads altogether, be it from their own countrymen, or from Russia or China.
 
Best is with no death squads altogether, be it from their own countrymen, or from Russia or China.

Well yes, but this was Communists versus the Contras, the Contras being those who wanted freedom instead. There was little choice for these people but to fight or flee, which hundreds of thousands did. When Communism collapsed, as it did in Eastern Europe and elsewhere, the Nicaraguan people were at last allowed to vote. That was a good thing. Electing Daniel Ortega years later was not.
 
Well yes, but this was Communists versus the Contras, the Contras being those who wanted freedom instead. There was little choice for these people but to fight or flee, which hundreds of thousands did. When Communism collapsed, as it did in Eastern Europe and elsewhere, the Nicaraguan people were at last allowed to vote. That was a good thing. Electing Daniel Ortega years later was not.

By supplying weapons to the contras, reagen was violating a arms control law signed by congress.
 
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/nicaragua-approves-route-40-billion-canal-linking-oceans-023933637.html

This news is likely missing from your MSM, but you're probably up-to-date on the hi-jinks Hollywood celebrities are up to.

I am an investor - I don't have time nor care in the slightest about Hollywood celebrities. Try asking instead of assuming next time.

'The proposed route still faces environmental and social impact studies that could recommend some changes to the plan'

It is only a go when all hurdles are cleared...though I assume it will eventually go through.

And, once again, outside of possibly the environmental impact...I think it's great. More competition for international trade so passage prices will undoubtedly drop.

And - again - if it pisses off Neocons...even better.
 
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I don't read hollywood tabloids and from your link:

'The proposed route still faces environmental and social impact studies that could recommend some changes to the plan'

It is only a go when all hurdles are cleared...though I assume it will eventually go through.

And, once again, outside of possibly the environmental impact...I think it's great. More competition for international trade so passage prices will undoubtedly drop.

And - again - if it pisses off Neocons...even better.

Why would any of this "piss off Neocons"? You seem to make sense for a few lines and then add this silliness.
 
Why would any of this "piss off Neocons"? You seem to make sense for a few lines and then add this silliness.

Figure it out...it should be ridiculously obvious (especially considering you seem like a neocon yourself).

If you cannot - I don't much care.


Good day.
 
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Figure it out...it should be ridiculously obvious (especially considering you seem like a neocon yourself).

If you cannot - I don't much care. Good day.

When the going gets tough - the leftists cut and run
 
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